The Football Thread - Page 2143

Cortissa · May 27th, 2018, 06:54 AM

Early Sallah injury and two GK mistakes decided the game. Klopp's huge strentgh is to build teams that are way better than the sum of their parts. But - they are still parts, and Karious, Lovren, Henderson, Millner, Wijnaldum, etc. are only average players on an international level or even worse, Karius is an average Bundesliga keeper to me. These players are usually not meant to make history, simples. You still gotta wonder, what happens if Ramos doesn't "knock Sallah out"? Different game, they dominated Real Madrid in a CL final until this injury. -- That being said, Klopp has been at LIV for only 2.5 years. In a particular way this could be just the beginning.

**footstep** · May 27th, 2018, 08:02 AM

Ramos did the job, as usual.
No cards for this kind of fault?
Everything was on the wrong side of the road for Liverpool...

**victor meldrew** · May 27th, 2018, 08:38 AM

most teams are built from the back, Liverpool start up front, then midfield and hope that is enough to protect the defence. Umpteen years on and the same old problems keep resurfacing, dodgy keeper, leaky back four, reliance on one or two players, no strength in depth and an inability to put teams away. Maybe one day someone at LFC will work it out.

As for Real Madrid three on the bounce is some achievement in this day and age, Could they repeat the first five? The debt will no doubt be taken care of by the state or Santander bank.

**Motorboater** · May 27th, 2018, 08:47 AM

Southampton should receive the CL trophy.

**buttsie** · May 27th, 2018, 08:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by footstep

Ramos did the job, as usual.
No cards for this kind of fault?
Everything was on the wrong side of the road for Liverpool...

Ramos's record says he aint no saint

Curious thing more than a few ex-player commentators say he didnt do anything wrong
this time...the cynic in me says even if he didnt exploit the opportunity hes guilty anyway because
thats his way...winning at any cost.

The Nasty Boys: Ramos and Pepe tarnish Real Madrid's rich history with play acting, rows and red cards

2014
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/foo...new-level.html

To be fair past defenders when you could tackle from behind through the legs and take the ball and the achilles were far worse.

Goal keepers who would line up players running into the box and land on them just as they punched the ball away another speciality we no longer see thankfully

**Greenman** · May 27th, 2018, 09:48 AM

Credit to Gareth Bale he just put two great goals past Karius, the first one I doubt any goalkeeper would have saved it was quite brilliant. Gutted but philosophical we still CL next season but we desperately need some new players and perhaps return to a Fab Four instead of three. As Steven Gerrard once said "we go again" next time. Losing Salah was a massive blow and I just knew that without his firepower and speed Liverpool were going to find it harder. Ramos was a sneaky little bit and should have been booked several times and why was he joking with the linesman as Salah sent off? Bad sportsmanship that because it was Ronaldo that consoled Salah as he had to go off.

**Roger Allott** · May 27th, 2018, 11:15 AM

Bale's 2nd goal reminded me of when Spurs played Lyon in 2013. Remy Vercoutre's brain was turned to mush by Bale's technique of shooting with his left foot and making the ball swerve, but not left-to-right as normal, not even right-to-left as would be quite special, but both left AND right.

No doubt Karius should have saved it, even if he'd just parried it, but I think Bale isn't getting the credit for what was a bloody good 30-yard shot.

Bale will be playing for Man U next season. There's only a handful of clubs who could afford him and have a wages policy that could accommodate him. Man U, PSG (if they offload Neymar), Barcelona, .... and that's about it.

I doubt that Man C will be in the race for the same reason they withdrew from chasing Alexis Sanchez.

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**m100** · May 27th, 2018, 11:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by footstep

Ramos did the job, as usual.
No cards for this kind of fault?
Everything was on the wrong side of the road for Liverpool...

absolutely. He threw sallah to the ground with intent. And if man utd fans are saying that you know it's true. There was a close up of him grinning and nodding to one of his team mates just after. Ramos is probably the biggest cheat in the game. Twice he went down holding his face for nothing plus the late "foul" that was nothing of the sort. Madrid were onto a hiding until sallah went off. Maybe the russians also had a word with ramos as with him in the egypt team they're not getting past the group stage next month.

**Motorboater** · May 27th, 2018, 11:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Roger Allott

No doubt Karius should have saved it, even if he'd just parried it, but I think Bale isn't getting the credit for what was a bloody good 30-yard shot.

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I'm not saying it's not a good shot. It was at the keeper though. What was he aiming at?

**Markus R** · May 27th, 2018, 12:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by buttsie

Liverpool had RM on the back foot for 35 minutes and didnt score - game over for mine
Seen RM soak up pressure and look 2nd rate only to score later in finals like clockwork.

Liverpools defence has been their achilles heel for a decade.
karius tonight , Moreno in the Europa final , Lovren in the EPL
Cant wait for Mignolet to retake the number 1 spot.

On a positive note Liverpools 2 current fullbacks dont look out of place at this level

The Ramos / Salah incident exposed Klopps lack of depth on the bench
As soon as lallana replaced Salah the effectiveness of the high pressing game was all but over.

Will Klopp be known as King Jurgen the 2nd?

Klopp is starting to build himself a reputation as 2nd best in finals
League Cup , Europa & now Champions League losses

I guess making the final is better than not

Gareth Bale - 2 goals as a sub in half - they thought he was done at RM
A goal to rival Zidanes previous Champions league final effort many years ago

Well said. I find the problem with Liverpool/Klopp's style of playing is there is no plan B. When Salah went off Liverpool's game went downhill. Sergio Ramos is a thug; a very effective thug at that but still a thug (although I'm not sure the tackle on Salah was among his worst. He just seemed to fall on him with both locking arms). There was always the problem of Salah getting injured - the difference being Real could bring on a player of Bale's quality while Liverpool couldn't.

While Kareless in goal was abysmal, I cannot help thinking how Bale had so much space to execute the overhead kick. If a defender would have been close to him and tried heading the ball a free kick against Bale would almost certainly have been given for high kicking. As you say Buttsie the defence has cost Liverpool heavily for about a decade.

May 27th, 2018, 11:15 AM	#21427
Roger Allott Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 7,937 Thanks: 10,958 Thanked 155,877 Times in 8,000 Posts	Bale's 2nd goal reminded me of when Spurs played Lyon in 2013. Remy Vercoutre's brain was turned to mush by Bale's technique of shooting with his left foot and making the ball swerve, but not left-to-right as normal, not even right-to-left as would be quite special, but both left AND right. No doubt Karius should have saved it, even if he'd just parried it, but I think Bale isn't getting the credit for what was a bloody good 30-yard shot. Bale will be playing for Man U next season. There's only a handful of clubs who could afford him and have a wages policy that could accommodate him. Man U, PSG (if they offload Neymar), Barcelona, .... and that's about it. I doubt that Man C will be in the race for the same reason they withdrew from chasing Alexis Sanchez. . __________________ *If you don't want your beliefs ridiculed, don't have ridiculous beliefs.*

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May 27th, 2018, 06:54 AM	#21421
Cortissa Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2013 Posts: 107 Thanks: 780 Thanked 3,034 Times in 103 Posts	Early Sallah injury and two GK mistakes decided the game. Klopp's huge strentgh is to build teams that are way better than the sum of their parts. But - they are still parts, and Karious, Lovren, Henderson, Millner, Wijnaldum, etc. are only average players on an international level or even worse, Karius is an average Bundesliga keeper to me. These players are usually not meant to make history, simples. You still gotta wonder, what happens if Ramos doesn't "knock Sallah out"? Different game, they dominated Real Madrid in a CL final until this injury. -- That being said, Klopp has been at LIV for only 2.5 years. In a particular way this could be just the beginning.

May 27th, 2018, 08:02 AM	#21422
footstep Lost luggages? Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: France Posts: 7,268 Thanks: 92,097 Thanked 86,760 Times in 7,170 Posts	Ramos did the job, as usual. No cards for this kind of fault? Everything was on the wrong side of the road for Liverpool...

May 27th, 2018, 08:38 AM	#21423
victor meldrew Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: At the bottom of an empty glass Posts: 15,776 Thanks: 531,841 Thanked 179,898 Times in 15,764 Posts	most teams are built from the back, Liverpool start up front, then midfield and hope that is enough to protect the defence. Umpteen years on and the same old problems keep resurfacing, dodgy keeper, leaky back four, reliance on one or two players, no strength in depth and an inability to put teams away. Maybe one day someone at LFC will work it out. As for Real Madrid three on the bounce is some achievement in this day and age, Could they repeat the first five? The debt will no doubt be taken care of by the state or Santander bank.

May 27th, 2018, 08:47 AM	#21424
Motorboater Vintage Member Join Date: Apr 2014 Location: Melbourne, Australia Posts: 4,325 Thanks: 41,487 Thanked 38,246 Times in 4,299 Posts	Southampton should receive the CL trophy.

May 27th, 2018, 09:48 AM	#21426
Greenman Live Legend of VEF Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Underground lair somewhere in the world Posts: 20,353 Thanks: 30,936 Thanked 383,505 Times in 19,356 Posts	Credit to Gareth Bale he just put two great goals past Karius, the first one I doubt any goalkeeper would have saved it was quite brilliant. Gutted but philosophical we still CL next season but we desperately need some new players and perhaps return to a Fab Four instead of three. As Steven Gerrard once said "we go again" next time. Losing Salah was a massive blow and I just knew that without his firepower and speed Liverpool were going to find it harder. Ramos was a sneaky little bit and should have been booked several times and why was he joking with the linesman as Salah sent off? Bad sportsmanship that because it was Ronaldo that consoled Salah as he had to go off.