Weaponry; Discussion of Rights and Responsibilities - Page 11

**scoundrel** · October 3rd, 2017, 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by movieman88

See 8, 9 & 11. All 3 or which did not involve assault weapons or full auto.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List..._by_death_toll

Re no.8, the Dunblane Massacre, Britain reacted to Thomas Hamilton's vile crime by banning pistols. There has been no repetition of this event since the pistol ban was enacted. Of course, if I can't use nukes I will send Bomber Command; and if I can't have Lancaster bombers I will employ railway guns; and if I can't use long range artillery I will send balloon bombs and so on. People do kill people, but if people can't buy automatic weapons, they are going to be able to kill people less quickly and in lower numbers.

**rotobott** · October 3rd, 2017, 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by scoundrel

I have given up trying. I am sad for the whole people of the USA that there is no end in sight.

Who knows how many more times something like this will happen? I am sure though that something like this will happen again; and that nothing will be learned and nothing will change.

Even if it happened every day, they would not be able to do much, pre 1987 automatic weapons legally available, no check on ammo sales, what is the shelf life on ammo ?, America is screwed for the foreseeable

**LadyLuck** · October 4th, 2017, 02:24 AM

Nothing is going to happen. News of this broke overnight Monday. It's a little after 10pm Tuesday and the story is already being pushed to a sidebar so that CNN can get back to banging the drum about Russian election ads on Facebook. Las Vegas will be off the radar by Friday and so will all the gun control chatter.

**otokonomidori** · October 4th, 2017, 05:00 AM

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Originally Posted by xyzde69

All Swiss males who are in aged to military serve have their military gun at home.

WHen I was in Switzerland a few summers ago there was an open air shooting range about 1/2 a mile from the flat in which I was staying.

You'd sit on the balcony of an evening listening to the daft bastards just over the hill blazing away at Christ knows what till it got dark .

Where's the fun in that I thought; guns are shit, buy guitars instead.

**Rogerbh** · October 4th, 2017, 05:19 AM

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Originally Posted by rotobott

Even if it happened every day, they would not be able to do much, pre 1987 automatic weapons legally available, no check on ammo sales, what is the shelf life on ammo ?, America is screwed for the foreseeable

I don't believe he used an automatic weapon, the weapons shown so far are mainly normal semiauto AR15 variants, mostly high end - some with bump fire stocks. https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_c...&v=z2d6OLs5rZw He was hosing a crowd from 400 yards away using rapid fire, bullet dispersion would be the size of a house. You can buy these weapons in most states today. Ammunition shelf life is usually 50 plus years, well stored WWII ammo still can be found for sale - mainly for ammunition collections - but most would still fire. (people collect them for their headstamps.)

In all likelihood, there will probably be a run on these firearms. No need for an automatic weapon.

America screwed for the foreseeable future? Kinda doubt that, we have no shortage of guns, but do have a shortage of psychopaths of this type. How many mass killings of six year olds have we since Newton, certainly not a flood of them - ? Probably will see copy cats in the future, not limited to the US.

**ConstantOgler** · October 4th, 2017, 05:44 AM

Any thoughtful member will be cautious about stating simplified conclusions. EXCEPT: the gun Fantasy and Fascination is deep in America's soul. That was manifest even before this. Our culture is saturated in it. I don't think any other nation or culture can be used for comparison.

This man was not disadvantaged or slighted by society in any way. Financially he was on the border comfortable / wealthy. It is emerging that he had a very large gun & ammo stash & had modified rifles with a "bump stock", to = machine guns. Age 64, it's not High-T, but maybe there were medical issues, drugs. Like Hemingway's "not a man anymore." & It seems his father (whom he hardly knew) was a deceptive, clever crook, once on FBI most wanted, called "psycho & suicidal." But so little contact, you would say more likely genetic.

Point being, you can have all kinds of other things that intersect with Gun Mania. But is only here, in America, they do.

**vinceprince** · October 4th, 2017, 07:22 AM

Some talk in the US about making 'Bump Stocks' (that Paddock legally bought then used to make his weapons into machine guns) illegal.

(Just going on the arguments used by pro-gun members)
Surely 'the bad guys' will already have them or get them illegally. So it will be better that 'the good guys' have them as well to stop 'the bad guys'. So the logical step is to make machine guns fully legal and available for everyone.

Problem solved (again).

**Rogerbh** · October 4th, 2017, 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by ConstantOgler

Point being, you can have all kinds of other things that intersect with Gun Mania. But is only here, in America, they do.

Beg to differ, case in point - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anders_Behring_Breivik

**Rogerbh** · October 4th, 2017, 08:57 AM

If you want to bump fire, you don't need a special stock.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bD213VW6WjY

Most shooters want accuracy, not hosing an area.

Please continue with your damning of the American Gun Culture.

**Rogerbh** · October 4th, 2017, 09:01 AM

I would predict that ISIS will gather a squad of suicidal adherents, take a number of rooms in a hotel overlooking an open air crowd and copy this idiot. Not only will they shoot a lot of people, but they will have plenty of trampling casualties to add to their damage numbers.

Surely they are scouting locations as we breathe.

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ConstantOgler Vintage Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Outskirts of Goosebump City, near the BusbyBerkeleyBakery Posts: 777 Thanks: 4,712 Thanked 8,847 Times in 754 Posts	Any thoughtful member will be cautious about stating simplified conclusions. EXCEPT: the gun Fantasy and Fascination is deep in America's soul. That was manifest even before this. Our culture is saturated in it. I don't think any other nation or culture can be used for comparison. This man was not disadvantaged or slighted by society in any way. Financially he was on the border comfortable / wealthy. It is emerging that he had a very large gun & ammo stash & had modified rifles with a "bump stock", to = machine guns. Age 64, it's not High-T, but maybe there were medical issues, drugs. Like Hemingway's "not a man anymore." & It seems his father (whom he hardly knew) was a deceptive, clever crook, once on FBI most wanted, called "psycho & suicidal." But so little contact, you would say more likely genetic. Point being, you can have all kinds of other things that intersect with Gun Mania. But is only here, in America, they do. __________________ To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. Please do PM me on any dead links, loading fails, or other issues with host. It will be fixed!

October 4th, 2017, 02:24 AM	#103
LadyLuck Vintage Member Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: USA Posts: 1,057 Thanks: 136 Thanked 10,477 Times in 1,247 Posts	Nothing is going to happen. News of this broke overnight Monday. It's a little after 10pm Tuesday and the story is already being pushed to a sidebar so that CNN can get back to banging the drum about Russian election ads on Facebook. Las Vegas will be off the radar by Friday and so will all the gun control chatter.

October 4th, 2017, 07:22 AM	#107
vinceprince 13th Duke of Wybourne Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Me, Here? In a sixth-form girl's dormitory? At 3 in the morning? With my reputation? Posts: 2,089 Thanks: 8,082 Thanked 21,964 Times in 2,076 Posts	Some talk in the US about making 'Bump Stocks' (that Paddock legally bought then used to make his weapons into machine guns) illegal. (Just going on the arguments used by pro-gun members) Surely 'the bad guys' will already have them or get them illegally. So it will be better that 'the good guys' have them as well to stop 'the bad guys'. So the logical step is to make machine guns fully legal and available for everyone. Problem solved (again).

October 4th, 2017, 08:57 AM	#109
Rogerbh Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Land of the free within reasonable limitations Posts: 10,916 Thanks: 50,539 Thanked 91,242 Times in 10,764 Posts	If you want to bump fire, you don't need a special stock. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bD213VW6WjY Most shooters want accuracy, not hosing an area. Please continue with your damning of the American Gun Culture.

October 4th, 2017, 09:01 AM	#110
Rogerbh Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Land of the free within reasonable limitations Posts: 10,916 Thanks: 50,539 Thanked 91,242 Times in 10,764 Posts	I would predict that ISIS will gather a squad of suicidal adherents, take a number of rooms in a hotel overlooking an open air crowd and copy this idiot. Not only will they shoot a lot of people, but they will have plenty of trampling casualties to add to their damage numbers. Surely they are scouting locations as we breathe.