Communism. Good or bad. What do you really know about Communism?

[Brecht]

Originally Posted by Estreeter

We're all sinners I never deny it, that's the difference

Te absolvo.

I take it you choose to believe in the old Catholic nonsense according to which all it takes to have your sins forgiven is to confess your sins to your local priest and voilà, the gates of Heaven are open again. This makes perfect sense while everyone who tries to address and understand the grievances and contradictions of the real world (as opposed to the fictional offered by religion) is a deluded idiot.

See, the thread isn't about Catholicism, It's about Communism, and since a certain member keeps bringing up exploitation, I'm just wondering how he can actually defend his participation in it himself ???

As for me, I'm here to save all your heathen souls from eternal damnation

You can't talk about capitalism without mentioning exploitation. It's an irrational economic system of two extremes. You'll find these dichotomies on all levels, international and national. There are those who live in abundance and those who have barely enough to make ends meet or survive. Someone's abundance is another person's misery. But this is not a sermon. You won't understand or solve anything with lamenting injustice, studying Buddhism, thinking positive or drinking kale smoothies. There's a rational foundation to these problems and Marxism devotes itself to their overcoming with action instead of sentimental pleas. That's what the Pope does and we see how much it helps.

For a country that makes up about 4% of the world's population, the US consumes a lot of its natural resources (about 30%). It's not unusual for a family of four to own three cars. An extremely lavishing society that lives on borrowed time. Many ordinary people boast about the advantages of capitalism because owning a house, cars and generally consumer goods is all they care about. What they don't care about is what makes this possible, where the raw materials come from and under which conditions they're extracted and delivered. We've had it too good for a long time.

The golden age of regulated capitalism is over. Many members of this forum grew up during that period which explains their views, at least partially. The high living standard that people in North America (just to name an example) enjoyed is the result of strong labor activism, the fear of "revolutionary crosscurrents" like those in the USSR and the absence of powerful industrial competitors on the global market. Europe and the Soviet Union were devastated. It took them decades to recover and once they did, the golden age set forth on a journey to the big goodbye. The middle class is shrinking, the social gaps growing.

Perhaps it's time to reflect on the devil-may-care attitude. I'm sorry to say that this thread devolved into a lot of immature bashing and ridicule with little attempt to create a serious and factual debate. Perhaps there's more hope in the Philosophy thread.

[Estreeter]

Originally Posted by Brecht

You can't talk about capitalism without mentioning exploitation. It's an irrational economic system of two extremes. You'll find these dichotomies on all levels, international and national. There are those who live in abundance and those who have barely enough to make ends meet or survive. Someone's abundance is another person's misery. But this is not a sermon. You won't understand or solve anything with lamenting injustice, studying Buddhism, thinking positive or drinking kale smoothies. There's a rational foundation to these problems and Marxism devotes itself to their overcoming with action instead of sentimental pleas. That's what the Pope does and we see how much it helps.

First sentence is correct and I can't and wont deny that,
I'm a victim of it, I even exploit in my own life, Guilty I am. I just don't understand how some can come here and be self righteous about exploitation yet be a member of a forum that's centred around an industry that's notorious for it Addressing that one seems one for the too hard backet to answer for Commies who use exploitation argument.

Originally Posted by Brecht

Perhaps it's time to reflect on the devil-may-care attitude. I'm sorry to say that this thread devolved into a lot of immature bashing and ridicule with little attempt to create a serious and factual debate. Perhaps there's more hope in the Philosophy thread.

Simply put, I can't think of one single thread here where there are opposing sides and a a member said to the other "You know, my views on ...... were wrong all along, I've been a dickhead all my life, You Sir are right and thanks for letting me see the light "

The problem with this thread is that the vast majority of us have seen Communism fail, If the system was any good it would be alive today, we just can't get that through to hardcore lefties and that's from me who has in his own lifetime voted left on local, state and federal elections probably a third of the time

[Roubignol]

Originally Posted by Estreeter

Not only that, the same members have viewed material on this forum and not paying for it ... a form of robbing I think.

Not at all.
Sharing services and commodities is pure anarchy.
There is no robbery under this. It's the best process to fuck Capitalism.

No circulation of money = death of Capitalism.


As I already wrote here, reading several authors, I prefer more social anarchism than communism. But... communism was a term that ideologically was mislead.

Karl Marx almost never used the word communism in thousands of pages.
You have to read Kroptokin, Bakunin, my friend. You don't have to remember the stories of your father. He had no ideas about Marxism, absolutely no ideas.

Paying a mobile phone is unfair and even more when you buy it cheap.
It's much better to steal it, until the capitain of industry make bankrupcy and the workers access to freedom one more time because of bankrupcy.
But you can't steal it, because you are catholic.

As catholic you must remember: Money Is BAD. Paying cheap Iphone is BAD.
On this topic, Anarcho-communists are your best friends to help you to reach heaven.


That's interesting to see that the old fake communist states probably failed more because of bigotry instead of capitalism.

Napoleon Bonaparte wisely declared: “Une société sans religion est comme un vaisseau sans boussole.”

A society without religion is like a ship without a compass.

He understood that he could not run any countries, if he would forbid religions.

The clergy fought hard against Communism, because Communism, in suppressing inequalities, suppressed a reason for their existence.

[Arturo2nd]

Originally Posted by scoundrel

In the words of Tom Lehrer:

Yes, we'll all fry together when we fry,
we'll be French fried potatoes by and by.

Jesus told us to love one another but I am not entirely sure how he meant us to interpret that...

Well, some interpret "John, the apostle whom Jesus loved" as evidence that the Master was not an asexual celibate. After all, he was not a white guy, either. Or an only child if we take the gospels and Acts literally.

[Arturo2nd]

Originally Posted by Estreeter

Simply put, I can't think of one single thread here where there are opposing sides and a a member said to the other "You know, my views on ...... were wrong all along, I've been a dickhead all my life, You Sir are right and thanks for letting me see the light "

The problem with this thread is that the vast majority of us have seen Communism fail, If the system was any good it would be alive today, we just can't get that through to hardcore lefties and that's from me who has in his own lifetime voted on local, state and federal elections probably a third of the time

Well, I didn't say that I was all wrong, but did admit I had been misinformed and that savage560 had caused to change some opinions.

http://vintage-erotica-forum.com/sho...postcount=5545

I didn't cop to being a dickhead because I thought it would be redundant. "What type of bozo argues politics on a porn forum?" says he of the 3,000 posts. I don't believe that any of my cogent messages have succeeded in changing a single person's thinking.

[Estreeter]

Originally Posted by xyzde69

Not at all.

And what about the rest of it ??? The exploitation of some women ???
Or are you just not wanting to expose your hypocritical side ???

I do, I seriously love they way you will pick out only the bits here that you can pick on with capitalism.

But hey That's what the Commies were good at, secrets

I hate and deplore what the Communist assholes did with some members of my family, I hope each and every single one of those pricks rots in hell, fuck them

[otokonomidori]

Originally Posted by xyzde69

Paying a mobile phone is unfair and even more when you buy it cheap.
It's much better to steal it,

All property might be theft but keep your Commie hands off my stuff.

I once caught a guy in the act of stealing my old car - literally cost him his teeth and a broken nose. I was a lot younger then of course.

I must be a Capitalist oppressor

[Roubignol]

Originally Posted by Estreeter

And what about the rest of it ??? The exploitation of some women ???
Or are you just not wanting to expose your hypocritical side ???

I do, I seriously love they way you will pick out only the bits here that you can pick on with capitalism.

But hey That's what the Commies were good at, secrets

As you already know, I dislike pornography. Really. I'm a boob fan.

I collect scanned pictures of vintage covers or magazines of retired big natural boobs page3 girls or playmates. No copies of these magazines are published by the editors.

Were these page3 girls models exploited by the Capitalism? In a certain way, yes, they were. If we calculate all the enjoyment, they procure to the wankers we are, some of them could be as rich as Bill Gates or Steve Jobs.
But a lot of them were lazy beautiful women who earned in one week, what their father was used to earn in a month.
Sam Fox and Maria Whittaker earned a fortune. They both were millionaires.

Would you compare the exploitation of Maria Whittaker or Samantha Fox to be the same as Third World children?
I let you juge about this. In my point of view, that's a pure heresy (catholicaly speaking) . They only had to take off their bras and then cash a big check.

Is erotica or porn purely capitalist and could not survive in an "egalitarian" society? That's an interesting question, I think that sexual exhibition will never disappear. There are people who like to be filmed fucking or exhibating themselves. Even not beeing paid.

You defend Third World workers exploitation, animal exploitation and female exploitation in consuming a lot of commodities, meat and porn.
I defend nothing of this. If porn has to disappear, I'll not be disturbed.

[Roubignol]

Originally Posted by otokonomidori

All property might be theft but keep your Commie hands off my stuff.

I once caught a guy in the act of stealing my old car - literally cost him his teeth and a broken nose. I was a lot younger then of course.

I must be a Capitalist oppressor

Hmmm... Your case is a little bit different. You are Scottish. Having Scottish blood, I know what it means.
We don't like to spend money, so we are very careful with our "even very cheap bought" commodities.

[Estreeter]

Originally Posted by xyzde69

As you already know, I dislike pornography. Really. I'm a boob fan.

I collect scanned pictures of vintage covers or magazines of retired big natural boobs page3 girls or playmates. No copies of these magazines are published by the editors.

One word ...... Bullshit It's still porn.

I ain't bothering with this thread anymore, simply for one reason, the hypocrisy makes me sick.

Communism, Marxism and Socialism are a failure proven fact.