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July 29th, 2018, 06:03 AM | #3771 | |||
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Tell me something: what treaties went against British interests? Can you name any? Can you name a directive that goes against British interests? Quote:
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There are just under 10% British MEPs in the EU parliament and there are 2 British commissioners. All the rest represent 27 other member states and can collectively impose their will on us. We have seen in 43 years of experience that the British veto isn't worth shit. Quote:
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Fisheries & agriculture: some things are better co-ordinated centrally, and food supply and safety is one of them. You pay less into the CAP than other members, and have less reason to complain, and the EU does pay your farmers quite a lot. As for fishing, your fishermen were so rampant, they even tried plunder Iceland's fish stocks with naval force, and the UN ruled against you. That tells you pretty much everything you need to know about Britain's competence in fishing policy, but it gets worse. Under the CFP your government allowed the sale of quotas to other members. Who do you blame for that? Trade with non-member states: What? No one stops you trading with non-member states, except perhaps the Americans with their "sanctions". What countries can't you trade with? Quote:
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Of course all this is just fluff and nonsense.
We had a referendum, both sides had the same chances to get their point across, you would have thought with the inherent and healthy streak of Euro-scepticism within the UK over several decades that the big brains on the Remain side would have put up a much stronger positive case for the EU. Britain never chose to be part of the EU, we joined the EEC which was the idea of a Common Market, what has gone on since has been successive British governments taking us deeper into a European Union. Yes we had opt outs but we never had a say on our EU membership. When UKIP were formed (in the 2nd generation UKIP anyway) we actually had the chance to voice our opinions on the EU, all other parties supported remaining in the EU although the Conservatives did have a vocal anti-EU minority. In 2014 UKIP won the largest percentage vote in our EU election, all the signs were there but Remain could not come up with any good reasons why we should stay. All these later arguments are therefore irrelevant to be honest, the case should have been made prior to the vote. I have always argued for a negotiated deal as common sense dictates that is the best way to part, but in recent months the EU has hardened its stance, if the EU does not want to offer a one-off deal to Britain (and it is their prerogative not to) then we are wasting our time in largely meaningless talks. March 2019 is getting nearer and a hard Brexit remains a distinct possibility.
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July 29th, 2018, 09:27 AM | #3775 |
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Gunther Oettinger, the bloc’s finance chief and a close confidante of Angela Merkel, said his “dream” of a euro force will be achieved.
On Thurs 22 June 2017, the European Council approved the ‘European Defence Fund’, the ‘European Defence Industrial Development Programme’, and the ‘Permanent Structured Cooperation’ (PESCO) on defence. The Council agreed that the deployment of EU Battlegroups should be borne as a common cost on a permanent basis.Mrs May approved this on that date. Part of the extra costs will be funded out of an EU funding mechanism which does not appear as part of the normal EU budget, and therefore will not show up as part of the UK's net annual contributions to the EU. The EU defence fund budget is Euro1.5 bn in 2021. https://www.express.co.uk/news/polit...create-EU-army Integration of military has already taken place, in partic. between German and Dutch forces. https://www.dw.com/en/changing-europ...ary/a-42555374 |
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Hey,We've nothing against Denmark,One of the few countries in Europe we've never been to war with..We did destroy Their fleet though...Twice..
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May must be removed, as she is trying to keep the UK in the EU by devious methods. There should be negotiations based on David Davis' DexEU dept. and Tusk's offer in Mar 2018:
UK wants to leave Single Market, Customs Union, and jurisdiction of the ECJ
http://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/pr...p-with-the-uk/ https://www.lexology.com/library/det...0-e77cefee98b3 It has become clear that Theresa May and her No.10 Europe Unit have no interest in discussing President Tusk’s offer in March. Theresa May is planning to do a deal comprising a barely-fudged continuation of all the key EU components which Brexit was supposed to stop, then she has no need of a free trade deal because the UK will continue to be tied into what will amount to EU membership. |
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See posts 3856 and 3863. Donald Tusk doesn't seem too worried with his offer. http://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/pr...p-with-the-uk/ https://www.lexology.com/library/det...0-e77cefee98b3 |
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Rename the whole island xyzde69 and everyone will automatically live in vegan anarcho-communist harmony run by specially selected committees. Common sense dictates there is no ONE solution to the Irish border problem, the border existed before we joined the EU https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republ...#Establishment "Except during a brief period during World War II, it has never been necessary for Irish or British citizens to produce a passport to cross the border. However during the 1970s troubles, security forces regularly asked travellers for identification." You could therefore say that joining the EEC/EU created this problem
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