Current Politics in the United Kingdom - Page 333

**Wendigo** · February 25th, 2018, 01:47 PM

My you are a cheerful little sausage aren't you?

Will we get everything I would like? No, but that is true in any negotiation, the same as when an election doesn't go my way, I don't bleat about it for years afterwards, I take stock of what is good and bad and bide my time till the next vote.
I'm happy enough to see what the EU think about HMG's proposals, if they reject them out of hand and there is no hope of any future agreement then I would sooner we just walk away and choose to trade on WTO conditions. I have faith in our country's ability to pull together when things get tough.

**seany65** · February 25th, 2018, 06:37 PM

It seems that the Labour party has admitted that it wants to negotiate a new "customs union" deal after we've left the EU.

What's the bet that they'll want to negotiate other deals which will when taken all together, in effect, 'cancel' brexit?

**haroldeye** · February 25th, 2018, 09:01 PM

Could you please explain to me, what power and control we have? The Commission and the ECJ have efectively removed all power and control from the Council of Ministers into their pompous and rather grubby little hands. That's why this pro European wants out.

**otokonomidori** · February 25th, 2018, 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Wendigo

Type C - European Plug (except UK, Ireland, Cyprus and Malta
This plug has 2 rounded pins. Its very widely used throughout Europe with the exceptions mentioned above.

Type E - Common in Belgium, France, Poland, Slovakia, Tunisia , Morocco and the Czech Republic
This is a 2 pin plug with a hole in it. This is because the plug Socket has a ground pin sticking out.

Type F - Used in Germany, Austria, Holland, Sweden, Norway, Finland, Portugal, Spain and Eastern Europe
This is 2 pin plug with rounded terminals. It is the same a TYPE C except it has a rounded shape and contain grounding pins on the side. This is so it can be gounded when connected to a socket.

Mind you they do use 3 pin plugs in one EU country - Type L - Italy
This is a 3 pin Plug with the connectors all in a straight line. This type of plug is used almost exclusively in Italy.

Any mention of buttplugs ?

**scoundrel** · February 25th, 2018, 09:17 PM

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Originally Posted by otokonomidori

Any mention of buttplugs ?

It wouldn't amaze me to discover that there is an EU standard for butt plugs.

**scoundrel** · February 25th, 2018, 09:40 PM

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Originally Posted by ********

You aren't listening. The point being put to you is that the national independence argument is silly and will definitely not give you the outcome you are looking for.

It's just a fantasy of magical thinking and delusions of grandeur. The EU was going to bend over backwards to give us a great trade deal, at the behest of the German car manufacturers... But so far we have ended up abandoning our red lines while the EU has made no concessions at all.

The reality is that we are giving up power and control. Unhitching from the EU just leaves us floundering in the Atlantic, adrift and desperate to cling to any bit of flotsom Tump and Ping throw our way.

I find your defeatism somewhat of a downer, a bit like being preyed upon by an emotional vampire. In my experience, sometimes you win and sometimes you lose, but the way to make sure you will lose is to not even try. There is nothing about Remaining which would give us either power or control over our own affairs. There is every prospect that Leaving will secure much greater control over our borders and over our domestic governance. As for the trade deal we shall see what we shall see and in no case will I run home whimpering to Mummy, because anyone who aspires to self-government has to be a big boy and not cry when things aren't perfect. I have several reasons for wanting my country to stand on its own feet and this is not all about the economy.

It takes spine for a man to stand up.

**Blue126** · February 25th, 2018, 10:23 PM

The written word is sometimes more stronger than winning a war.

That written statement that we can become a union, was the dye in the cast.

They can win a war and take revenge for what you could not do in battle.

They knew we would rumble them.

We will have our own destiny, to do battle again if we must.

Just have faith and hope!

**Blue126** · February 25th, 2018, 10:44 PM

And I belive we have many company's who would be to happy to take over foreign company's that want to leave.

Back Britain and her company's, stand together, I know that's new to the younger generation who are all for themselves, but come together as one, we are much stronger!

Hell, we ruled an empire once, without a computer...what could we do with one?

**Oswald** · February 26th, 2018, 12:27 PM

Brexit is NOT going to happen.

Despite 67% of UK parliamentary constituencies voting for Brexit. And in Labour held constituencies 70% voted for Brexit.

When Traitor May was appointed PM by our globalist overlords her prime objective was to undermine and destroy Brexit by any means possible.

Continual delays, ridiculously unnecessary "negotiations", soft Brexit or hard Brexit (verbiage used by the Remoaners), caving into the EU by the alleged "Brexit minister" Davis (who is also a hidden ardent Remoaner) all add proof to the fact that Brexit will never happen.

Moreover, Traitor May is perfectly willing to destroy the Conservative party in order to carry out the demands of her globalist handlers.

Now, laughable, Traitor May is saying: "Brexit Is Start Of A Bright New Chapter In Our National Story”, even though she is a fervent Remoaner and actively campaigned for 'Remain'.

It's all part of the charade pantomime we are witnessing.

**scoundrel** · February 26th, 2018, 09:44 PM

The news today is that Labour wants to form "a customs union" with the EU post-Brexit. Obviously this will not be the customs union. But it will entail jointly negotiating alongside the EU to form free trade agreements; none of this negotiating independently our own deals. We will conform with EU decisions and Labour are agreeably vague about whether the free movement of labour into the UK from EU countries will be perpetuated or whether we will continue to be under the jurisdiction of the European Court of Justice.

But of course they fully respect the outcome of the EU referendum...

February 25th, 2018, 01:47 PM	#3321
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February 25th, 2018, 06:37 PM	#3322
seany65 Vintage Member Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 3,651 Thanks: 80,415 Thanked 32,732 Times in 3,527 Posts	It seems that the Labour party has admitted that it wants to negotiate a new "customs union" deal after we've left the EU. What's the bet that they'll want to negotiate other deals which will when taken all together, in effect, 'cancel' brexit? __________________ <-- That's Emer Kenny and I want to be stuck in her front bottom. Quote from electrofreak : I'd rather have questions that can't be answered, than answers that can't be questioned.

February 25th, 2018, 09:01 PM	#3323
haroldeye Moderator Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Halfwitistan Posts: 5,716 Thanks: 113,527 Thanked 59,968 Times in 5,708 Posts	Could you please explain to me, what power and control we have? The Commission and the ECJ have efectively removed all power and control from the Council of Ministers into their pompous and rather grubby little hands. That's why this pro European wants out. Last edited by scoundrel; February 25th, 2018 at 09:05 PM.. Reason: A minor deletion in the interests of maintaining good karma

February 26th, 2018, 09:44 PM	#3330
scoundrel Super Moderator Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: England Posts: 26,239 Thanks: 162,401 Thanked 278,503 Times in 26,184 Posts	The news today is that Labour wants to form "a customs union" with the EU post-Brexit. Obviously this will not be the customs union. But it will entail jointly negotiating alongside the EU to form free trade agreements; none of this negotiating independently our own deals. We will conform with EU decisions and Labour are agreeably vague about whether the free movement of labour into the UK from EU countries will be perpetuated or whether we will continue to be under the jurisdiction of the European Court of Justice. But of course they fully respect the outcome of the EU referendum... __________________ To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

February 25th, 2018, 10:23 PM	#3327
Blue126 Veteran Member Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 1,927 Thanks: 19,029 Thanked 72,076 Times in 1,922 Posts	The written word is sometimes more stronger than winning a war. That written statement that we can become a union, was the dye in the cast. They can win a war and take revenge for what you could not do in battle. They knew we would rumble them. We will have our own destiny, to do battle again if we must. Just have faith and hope!

February 25th, 2018, 10:44 PM	#3328
Blue126 Veteran Member Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 1,927 Thanks: 19,029 Thanked 72,076 Times in 1,922 Posts	And I belive we have many company's who would be to happy to take over foreign company's that want to leave. Back Britain and her company's, stand together, I know that's new to the younger generation who are all for themselves, but come together as one, we are much stronger! Hell, we ruled an empire once, without a computer...what could we do with one?

February 26th, 2018, 12:27 PM	#3329
Oswald Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 13,112 Thanks: 51,073 Thanked 282,469 Times in 13,802 Posts	Brexit is NOT going to happen. Despite 67% of UK parliamentary constituencies voting for Brexit. And in Labour held constituencies 70% voted for Brexit. When Traitor May was appointed PM by our globalist overlords her prime objective was to undermine and destroy Brexit by any means possible. Continual delays, ridiculously unnecessary "negotiations", soft Brexit or hard Brexit (verbiage used by the Remoaners), caving into the EU by the alleged "Brexit minister" Davis (who is also a hidden ardent Remoaner) all add proof to the fact that Brexit will never happen. Moreover, Traitor May is perfectly willing to destroy the Conservative party in order to carry out the demands of her globalist handlers. Now, laughable, Traitor May is saying: "Brexit Is Start Of A Bright New Chapter In Our National Story”, even though she is a fervent Remoaner and actively campaigned for 'Remain'. It's all part of the charade pantomime we are witnessing.