The Time Machine - Page 2

**Greenman** · July 2nd, 2008, 04:35 PM

Stephen Hawking seems to suggest that time travel might one day be possible, and it was him that poo pooed the idea for years. However if it were possible I would go back to November 1999 and stop my Grandma from getting to the bathroom on her own-but for that and the series of events that unfolded with her eventually being in a home, having another fall and ultimately dying there-but for all that she would be alive today and would have made 100yrs easily. Like the man said above I miss her so much and it was a hell of a wrench to lose her even at 98.

On a much more trivial note I would go back to Euro '96 and tell Gascoigne to move further to his left, that way when he slid in for the goal it would have gone in and we would have beaten the Germans

**Leprechaun** · July 3rd, 2008, 09:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Greenman

On a much more trivial note I would go back to Euro '96 and tell Gascoigne to move further to his left, that way when he slid in for the goal it would have gone in and we would have beaten the Germans

I don't think it would be that trivial under certain conditions. Just an example:

You go back in time to bring your country the triumph. Some German hooligans among the audience begin to riot. Many people get badly injured. There's a woman that get tramped down and will get paraplegic for the rest of her life. Because of her injuries this woman can't go on holidays in '96 so you can't meet her in the spanish hotel and you can't marry her. Your son will not born because the woman you marry instead is sterile. You want to adopt a child but on your way from the children's home you have a car accident with a drunken driver, your adopted child and your wife die! You survive but will be life-long invalid.

If you weren't also travel back in time to make this 'trivial' change the following situations didn't happen:

- The Germans win so the hooligans will not riot.
- The people will not badly injured. The woman will not get paraplegic and she goes on holiday where you will meet her in a Spanish hotel.
- You marry this lady, your son will born and there's no reason to drive to those children's home so you don't have the deadly car accident.
- The lady that isn't your wife survive.
- The child you didn't adopt survive.
- You are alive and well.
- Your car is ok.

IMO every minimal change in time will perhaps have multitudinous and considerably consequences. Drastic changes in life often begins with 'trivialities' and may affiliated with each other per hundreds of invisible threads.

The Wheel of destiny is a big spider web! You touch only one strand but the complete web will cause to vibrate. Everything is interweaved with each other. Attend to my words before you enter the Delorian... !

bigchris1971 · July 3rd, 2008, 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Leprechaun

IMO every minimal change in time will perhaps have multitudinous and considerably consequences. Drastic changes in life often begins with 'trivialities' and may affiliated with each other per hundreds of invisible threads.

The Wheel of destiny is a big spider web! You touch only one strand but the complete web will cause to vibrate. Everything is interweaved with each other. Attend to my words before you enter the Delorian... !

Leprechaun - wise words!

Have you (or anyone else on here for that matter) ever read the classic science fiction short story 'A Sound of Thunder' by one of my favourite authors, Ray Bradbury? It's about exactly what you're talking about. Basically, someone travels back in time, whilst they are in the past they unwittingly make a small unplanned action, and when they travel back to the present they find that that one tiny action has had a disastrous consequence on their modern world.

**Leprechaun** · July 4th, 2008, 12:46 AM

I'll watch out for this book when I visit the library next time. Thanks for the reading tip, bigchris!

Some interesting infos about the theory of time machines if you are interested in quantum physics. No worries! There's no need to be a graduate of Harvard College.

Quantum Time Travel

John Gribbin about Time Travel

MaxJoker · July 5th, 2008, 03:56 AM

The chances of technology ever being developed which could pin point an exact moment in the past and transport us there ? , we`re spinning right now on a planet full of life and with most of that life hardly ever remaining static so the odds would surely be stacked heavily on materializing where someone else might be standing or worse where an unexpected tree was ?. Also how would we get back ? , and don`t say the way Van Dame did in Time Cop because the guy drove a hot wired car into the past which then disappeared into thin air leaving him blatantly stranded forever , only for him to then pop back to his present whenever the mood struck ! .Which was impossible and has no explanation ? , well unless he was wearing ruby red slippers all along

Still if it was possible i`d go back and meet myself at age nine and tell myself exactly what i now know i needed to know then (Translation available on request) , which granted might mean you`d now all have to polish bronze busts of my face each morning while marshal music plays , but hey shit happens

But then if a time machine was ever invented then nothing and none of us would be safe in our beds again, as everything and anything could change all around us at any second , hmmm so no difference there really

Excellent thread by the way

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**mjefferys1** · July 5th, 2008, 05:52 AM

[quote=Leprechaun;312627]I don't think it would be that trivial under certain conditions. Just an example:

You go back in time to bring your country the triumph. Some German hooligans among the audience begin to riot. Many people get badly injured. There's a woman that get tramped down and will get paraplegic for the rest of her life. Because of her injuries this woman can't go on holidays in '96 so you can't meet her in the spanish hotel and you can't marry her. Your son will not born because the woman you marry instead is sterile. You want to adopt a child but on your way from the children's home you have a car accident with a drunken driver, your adopted child and your wife die! You survive but will be life-long invalid.

Screw that it would be worth it to beat the Germans and not to have to wish that Gazza's leg was an inch longer for the rest of my life.....

lili · January 8th, 2009, 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by buggeration

I believe you can only go back in time as far as the time machine was invented. i.e if the time machine was first tried at mid-day yesterday, then that's as far back in time as it would ever be able to travel - think about it. In the same context, time machines can never go beyond the point we are at now. It's impossible...Why? Because the future is undetermined. It hasn't happened. You can't go to somewhere that has never existed. That's my theory anyway. And I'm sticking to it

Exellent thinking....

avidfan · January 8th, 2009, 10:22 PM

id go back to see if i could save my son who died an hour after being born.

**blondifan** · November 15th, 2009, 05:38 AM

I am sorry to hear of your loss avidfan, at least you found someone who agreed to bear your child.

Myself personally I would go back to when I was around thirteen, and was groped three times by a girl I still know.
Unfortunately, due to innate shyness or my inexperience with girls then I pushed her hand away three times also.
So she ended up marrying my best mate who was sitting on the other side of her, and didn't rebuke her advances.
I know it sounds like a schoolboy scenario, but I doubt that many days have gone by since that I haven't reflected on that moment, and wondered how life would have turned out.
Sure I've known many other women and I was still a little worried by some of the other girls who 'advanced' on me in high school.. (a general fear of falling for them big time!) so I settled for one who was just a little more homely, but very intelligent... no regrets there.. but I'll never forget that girl.

**Clouddancer** · November 15th, 2009, 06:42 AM

On a completely superficial note I think I might go back & find struggling artists like Van Gogh, Pissaro, Renoir Sisley et al, & pick up some really great Art for a song or a few beers at least.

July 2nd, 2008, 04:35 PM	#11
Greenman Live Legend of VEF Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Underground lair somewhere in the world Posts: 20,353 Thanks: 30,936 Thanked 383,588 Times in 19,356 Posts	Stephen Hawking seems to suggest that time travel might one day be possible, and it was him that poo pooed the idea for years. However if it were possible I would go back to November 1999 and stop my Grandma from getting to the bathroom on her own-but for that and the series of events that unfolded with her eventually being in a home, having another fall and ultimately dying there-but for all that she would be alive today and would have made 100yrs easily. Like the man said above I miss her so much and it was a hell of a wrench to lose her even at 98. On a much more trivial note I would go back to Euro '96 and tell Gascoigne to move further to his left, that way when he slid in for the goal it would have gone in and we would have beaten the Germans __________________ There was only ONE Greenman, and you accepted no substitutes! To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. Rest in peace MaxJoker-you will be sorely missed. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. 20,000: Milestone reached!

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MaxJoker Beloved Brother Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Cemetery Gardens_Arterial Blood Lane_Rampton Secure Unit_Extra Violent F Wing_Cell 19 Posts: 69,106 Thanks: 372,713 Thanked 987,902 Times in 69,067 Posts	The chances of technology ever being developed which could pin point an exact moment in the past and transport us there ? , we`re spinning right now on a planet full of life and with most of that life hardly ever remaining static so the odds would surely be stacked heavily on materializing where someone else might be standing or worse where an unexpected tree was ?. Also how would we get back ? , and don`t say the way Van Dame did in Time Cop because the guy drove a hot wired car into the past which then disappeared into thin air leaving him blatantly stranded forever , only for him to then pop back to his present whenever the mood struck ! .Which was impossible and has no explanation ? , well unless he was wearing ruby red slippers all along Still if it was possible i`d go back and meet myself at age nine and tell myself exactly what i now know i needed to know then (Translation available on request) , which granted might mean you`d now all have to polish bronze busts of my face each morning while marshal music plays , but hey shit happens But then if a time machine was ever invented then nothing and none of us would be safe in our beds again, as everything and anything could change all around us at any second , hmmm so no difference there really Excellent thread by the way ... __________________ My hypocrisy only goes so To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. Last edited by MaxJoker; July 5th, 2008 at 03:59 AM.. Reason: Mispelt misspelt

July 5th, 2008, 05:52 AM	#16
mjefferys1 Veteran Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Frozen North Posts: 1,537 Thanks: 18,772 Thanked 57,921 Times in 1,618 Posts	[quote=Leprechaun;312627]I don't think it would be that trivial under certain conditions. Just an example: You go back in time to bring your country the triumph. Some German hooligans among the audience begin to riot. Many people get badly injured. There's a woman that get tramped down and will get paraplegic for the rest of her life. Because of her injuries this woman can't go on holidays in '96 so you can't meet her in the spanish hotel and you can't marry her. Your son will not born because the woman you marry instead is sterile. You want to adopt a child but on your way from the children's home you have a car accident with a drunken driver, your adopted child and your wife die! You survive but will be life-long invalid. Screw that it would be worth it to beat the Germans and not to have to wish that Gazza's leg was an inch longer for the rest of my life..... __________________ VEF, Every day I discover a new favorite....... Tell me if you recognise someone in my posts.

November 15th, 2009, 06:42 AM	#20
Clouddancer Vintage Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Spain - Costa Blanca Posts: 811 Thanks: 10,238 Thanked 11,624 Times in 809 Posts	On a completely superficial note I think I might go back & find struggling artists like Van Gogh, Pissaro, Renoir Sisley et al, & pick up some really great Art for a song or a few beers at least. __________________ To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. [Follow your inclinations with due regard to the policeman round the corner.

July 4th, 2008, 12:46 AM	#14
Leprechaun Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Germany Posts: 5,013 Thanks: 23,651 Thanked 77,938 Times in 4,988 Posts	I'll watch out for this book when I visit the library next time. Thanks for the reading tip, bigchris! Some interesting infos about the theory of time machines if you are interested in quantum physics. No worries! There's no need to be a graduate of Harvard College. Quantum Time Travel John Gribbin about Time Travel

January 8th, 2009, 10:22 PM	#18
avidfan Blocked! Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 171 Thanks: 164 Thanked 390 Times in 120 Posts	id go back to see if i could save my son who died an hour after being born.

November 15th, 2009, 05:38 AM	#19
blondifan Vintage Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 4,406 Thanks: 55,003 Thanked 60,212 Times in 4,401 Posts	I am sorry to hear of your loss avidfan, at least you found someone who agreed to bear your child. Myself personally I would go back to when I was around thirteen, and was groped three times by a girl I still know. Unfortunately, due to innate shyness or my inexperience with girls then I pushed her hand away three times also. So she ended up marrying my best mate who was sitting on the other side of her, and didn't rebuke her advances. I know it sounds like a schoolboy scenario, but I doubt that many days have gone by since that I haven't reflected on that moment, and wondered how life would have turned out. Sure I've known many other women and I was still a little worried by some of the other girls who 'advanced' on me in high school.. (a general fear of falling for them big time!) so I settled for one who was just a little more homely, but very intelligent... no regrets there.. but I'll never forget that girl.