Feel terrible for John McCain but................

[Baxter49]

Originally Posted by scoundrel

I suspect that if I had the bad luck to be diagnosed as Mr McCain has been I would not be treating the matter as an opportunity for political theatre. I would simply be treating survival as my main objective.

Agree, but most people did not have his health care options, and likely would not even have had the ability to get diagnosed at all, much less get the surgery he did, and he is giving them no answers for their own survival.

Plus to make it worse he did treat it as political theater.

[scoundrel]

Originally Posted by Faceman675

There are things a president can do to boost the economy but in the case of the 90's I am still waiting to hear of a policy put forward by Clinton or the Democratic party that caused the economic prosperity of the 90s.

I am sure I could advance some such policies of the Clinton administration. But I hate the bastard so I'm not going to bother.

[sandhunter]

Originally Posted by Baxter49

Agree, but most people did not have his health care options, and likely would not even have had the ability to get diagnosed at allj, much less gut the surgery he did, and he is giving them no answers for their own survival.

Plus to make it worse he did treat it as political theater.

Yes he did have great health insurance
But all Americans are required by law to have health insurance, I would be able to get the same diagnosis and treatment as I have good health insurance at twice the price as last year (thank Obama and d-crats)
Always choose life

[Vaxter]

Originally Posted by Faceman675

There are things a president can do to boost the economy but in the case of the 90's I am still waiting to hear of a policy put forward by Clinton or the Democratic party that caused the economic prosperity of the 90s.

He enacted contractionary fiscal policy. First, he raised taxes with the Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act of 1993, his first budget. The Deficit Reduction Act raised the top income tax rate from 28 percent to 36 percent for those earning more than $115,000, and 39.6 percent for income above $250,000. It increased the corporate income tax from 34 percent to 36 percent for corporations with incomes over $10 million. It also ended some corporate subsidies, taxed Social Security benefits for high-income earners, and created the earned income tax credit for incomes under $30,000. It raised the gas tax by $.043 per gallon and limited the ability of corporations to claim entertainment tax deductions.

Second, he cut spending by reforming the TANF program, commonly known as welfare. The Personal Responsibility and Work Opportunity Reconciliation Act of 1996 required recipients to get a job within the first two years. It limited the total time they could receive benefits to five years. The number of TANF recipients fell by two-thirds.

It went from 12.2 million in 1994 to 4.5 million in 2004.

Third, he signed the North American Free Trade Agreement. It eliminated tariffs between the United States, Canada and Mexico. It's the largest trade agreement in the world.

He created 21.5 million jobs during his eight years in office. That's more jobs than any other President.

The above came from The Balance.

There's much more on Wikipedia (not really a quick read):https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Econom...administration

[Faceman675]

Originally Posted by sobaka

Remember, it was under clinton's watch where the seeds were sown for the real estate crash and where the US government started selling itself off to the PRC (for campaign donations, nothing changes)

The real estate crash has it's roots going back to the Community Re-Investment Act of 1977 that was signed by Jimmy Carter. Clinton passed legislation that strengthened the CRA allowing regulators the authority to come down hard ( big Fines) on lending institutions that were not complying with the CRA.

This is why I have never been a fan of giving the president credit or blame for the economy unless there is a clear cause and effect. Carter passes the CRA in 1977 and the housing market crashes in 2007. Bush gets the blame. Bush was the fourth president and 30 years had past since Carter and the Dems passed the CRA.

[LadyLuck]

Originally Posted by Faceman675

There are things a president can do to boost the economy but in the case of the 90's I am still waiting to hear of a policy put forward by Clinton or the Democratic party that caused the economic prosperity of the 90s.

The only thing the Dems put forth in the 90s was the Assault Weapons Ban and that decimated their ranks in the mid term elections a few months later in November 1994. For the rest of his presidency (when he wasn't busy getting his knob polished by Monica Lewinsky) he was signing legislation sent to him by Newt and the GOP majority in Congress. That's why his administration is viewed so favorably.

[Faceman675]

Originally Posted by Vaxter

He enacted contractionary fiscal policy. First, he raised taxes with the Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act of 1993, his first budget. The Deficit Reduction Act raised the top income tax rate from 28 percent to 36 percent for those earning more than $115,000, and 39.6 percent for income above $250,000. It increased the corporate income tax from 34 percent to 36 percent for corporations with incomes over $10 million. It also ended some corporate subsidies, taxed Social Security benefits for high-income earners, and created the earned income tax credit for incomes under $30,000. It raised the gas tax by $.043 per gallon and limited the ability of corporations to claim entertainment tax deductions.

Yep he raised taxes and how exactly did that create the great economy that he is given credit for? Higher taxes takes money out of the economy and stifles economic growth. The economy boomed despite Clinton's tax increases.

The fact is Bill Clinton was president during an unprecedented growth in technology. Even his raising taxes was not enough to screw up the economy.

Originally Posted by Vaxter

Second, he cut spending by reforming the TANF program, commonly known as welfare. The Personal Responsibility and Work Opportunity Reconciliation Act of 1996 required recipients to get a job within the first two years. It limited the total time they could receive benefits to five years. The number of TANF recipients fell by two-thirds.

It went from 12.2 million in 1994 to 4.5 million in 2004.

First Welfare reform was not a Clinton or for that matter even a Democratic policy. Yes he signed it but he took a lot of heat from the Dems for signing it and don't forget earlier in his presidency Clinton vetoed Welfare reform. Clinton was ready to veto it again when advisers pointed out that it was very popular with the voters and that he would be risking a loss in that years (96) Presidential election if he vetoed it a second time. When it comes to welfare reform Clinton had to be dragged kicking and screaming. If you want to give credit for welfare reform you need look no further than Speaker of the House Newt Gingrich.

Second I believe that while a balanced budget can foster a favorable economic environment it in no way creates the the booming economy that we saw in the 90s.

Originally Posted by Vaxter

Third, he signed the North American Free Trade Agreement. It eliminated tariffs between the United States, Canada and Mexico. It's the largest trade agreement in the world.

Aw NAFTA. Yes we all know how grrrreat a deal that was for American manufacturing. Well actually it was great for the manufacturers who moved south and saved about 75% on labor costs, not so great for American workers.

Clinton took office on Jan 20 1993. NAFTA passed the Senate Nov 20 1993. NAFTA was started before Clinton was elected while GHW Bush was still in office.

NAFTA was passed by the US Senate by a 61 to 39 margin with 34 Republicans and 27 Democrats voting in favor. The Senate consisted of 57 Democrats and 43 Republicans. NAFTA was signed by Clinton but it was far from a Clinton policy or for that mater a Democratic policy.

Again I am still waiting on a Clinton Policy that created the 90's economy.

Originally Posted by Vaxter

He created 21.5 million jobs during his eight years in office. That's more jobs than any other President.....

No question that Clinton was in office during a great time of economic growth that included job growth but how did he create these jobs. He raised corporate taxes which hurts job growth. NAFTA was a Bush policy that he went along with. So what Clinton/Democratic policy created all those jobs?

I do give him credit for not screwing it up. He could have tried to raise taxes a second time. I have no doubt that if Dems had control of both houses with a booming economy they would have tried

[Baxter49]

Originally Posted by sandhunter

Yes he did have great health insurance
But all Americans are required by law to have health insurance, I would be able to get the same diagnosis and treatment as I have good health insurance at twice the price as last year (thank Obama and d-crats)
Always choose life

And prior to that your insurance company could have decided if you have that condition to simply drop you, or make your insurance much higher, with your medications.

I'm not writing the ACA is perfect, but it takes 2 sides working together, 1 simply has been owned by the insurance companies and do not want ANY deal.

Survival of the richest and most entitled.

But this topic (when it's on-topic) is about John McCain's who in my view is very hypocritical, and a poor representative to step into the Mayo clinic for himself and then vote with no conscience to deny what he received to others.

[diamelsx]

Originally Posted by Faceman675

Higher taxes takes money out of the economy and stifles economic growth. The economy boomed despite Clinton's tax increases.

It depends on how the money is used if tax are used. If the taxes are used to hire workers at decent wages then I have to disagree with you. Also if taxes are cut and the savings are simply hoarded that also takes money out of the economy. As it stands now taxes need to be raised, maybe to 1950s levels.

Originally Posted by Faceman675

First Welfare reform was not a Clinton or for that matter even a Democratic policy. Yes he signed it but he took a lot of heat from the Dems for signing it and don't forget earlier in his presidency Clinton vetoed Welfare reform. Clinton was ready to veto it again when advisers pointed out that it was very popular with the voters and that he would be risking a loss in that years (96) Presidential election if he vetoed it a second time. When it comes to welfare reform Clinton had to be dragged kicking and screaming. If you want to give credit for welfare reform you need look no further than Speaker of the House Newt Gingrich.

Bill absolutely gets credit for Welfare reform, he campaigned on it back 92'. Him vetoing it really means little. You really need to stop regurgitating talking points.

[diamelsx]

Originally Posted by Baxter49

This man if given choice would deprive his fellow American's of bare coverage they get now, that would kill and bankrupt most with his condition, while he goes to Mayo Clinic and has his bills paid for?

I guess we got our answer.

The final vote, held around 1:30 early Friday morning, was 51 to 49 against. The three Republicans who voted against it were Maine Sen. Susan Collins, Alaska Sen. Lisa Murkowski, and, yes, Arizona Sen. John McCain, who ultimately lived up to his word about abandoning a secretive, partisan, rushed process and returning to regular order to consider fixing Obamacare’s flaws.

McCain kept how he would vote a mystery until he reached the floor, telling
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