Questions for our American friends

[bombermouse]

Originally Posted by ultimatewarlord

Excuse me quoting myself, although most posts are usually fascinating.

I've just seen that California has appointed an illegal immigrant to a State Office post. Maybe the Californian authorities are openly challenging the Government. Would the population of California strongly agree with this action or are Californian authorities on dangerous ground these days.

Where, pray tell, did you see that California has appointed an illegal immigrant to a State Office post and what was that post?

[Decadence]

Originally Posted by bombermouse

Where, pray tell, did you see that California has appointed an illegal immigrant to a State Office post and what was that post?

Google it... there was more than one outlet that bothered to carry it. The Sacremento Bee was the first, but they have a pay wall.. try:

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/03/15...alifornia.html

You shouldn't be surprised. Last week, presidential candidate Ricardo Cortes was campaigning in Los Angeles. The only thing notable is that he's running for president of MEXICO.

Guess he felt he needed to be closer to his people.

[bombermouse]

Originally Posted by Decadence

Google it... there was more than one outlet that bothered to carry it. The Sacremento Bee was the first, but they have a pay wall.. try:

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/03/15...alifornia.html

You shouldn't be surprised. Last week, presidential candidate Ricardo Cortes was campaigning in Los Angeles. The only thing notable is that he's running for president of MEXICO.

Guess he felt he needed to be closer to his people.

Thanks for the link. I had no intention of googling it as I wasn't the one making the claim. I consider Fox as reliable as you consider MSNBC.

[ellias]

"only recently has the right become totally unhinged in regards to immigration"

More correctly stated it should be noted the concern is regarding illegal aliens committing terrible crimes like murder and the city administrators of sanctuary cities that try to protect the killers.

If you're going to counter my comment, at least one should deal with the terms honestly, not simple saying it's about immigration. Truth is it's about criminality.

[ldmforever]

Originally Posted by rewbear

I would be interested to know what form of sodium is used to 'carbonate' the beverages as IIRC the term carbonation itself derives from the Carbon Dioxide gas (CO2) used to create the bubbles. This gas is tasteless whereas any sodium I would have thought would taint the drink.

The sodium used was possibly early on when the beverage was first made. Pure sodium reacts when it touches water -an explosion- so I think it was used as some kind of compound form.

[ultimatewarlord]

Originally Posted by bombermouse

Where, pray tell, did you see that California has appointed an illegal immigrant to a State Office post and what was that post?

I saw it on one of my catch ups with Tucker Carlson. I then checked it out from other sources. Strangely, CNN hadn't mentioned it at that time.

[judy84]

Originally Posted by ldmforever

The sodium used was possibly early on when the beverage was first made. Pure sodium reacts when it touches water -an explosion- so I think it was used as some kind of compound form.

The soda or sodium refers to sodium bicarbonate or bicarb of soda which is used as a leavening agent in baking products. It produces carbon dioxide gas bubbles with heat or acid conditions. In water solutions bicarb is alkaline and can neuralize acid stomach. It also produces bubbles of CO2 in water and is used in Eno and Andrews and the like.

[Arturo2nd]

Originally Posted by ellias

"only recently has the right become totally unhinged in regards to immigration"

More correctly stated it should be noted the concern is regarding illegal aliens committing terrible crimes like murder and the city administrators of sanctuary cities that try to protect the killers.

If you're going to counter my comment, at least one should deal with the terms honestly, not simple saying it's about immigration. Truth is it's about criminality.

As noted in the Reason Magazine article, the amount of crime attributable to illegal aliens is being grossly over stated by the anti-immigration crowd. Unbiased researchers report that undocumented individuals appear to commit crimes at about half the rate of the native population. This makes sense as it is very much in their interest to avoid doing anything to attract the attention of the authorities. I am frankly bewildered at some of the right wing media's anti-immigrant campaign, because many industries are dependent on these sources of labor to function or to keep costs down. Many of their advertisers and the donors to the GOP are being harmed by the anti-immigrant crusade.

It is my belief that the attacks on peaceful, family style immigrants comes at the expense of pursuing the dangerous, criminals present in the immigrant population that we all want removed. If it were up to me, we would execute rather than deport these thugs.

Originally Posted by ultimatewarlord

Federal Bureau of prisons statistics.

https://www.bop.gov/about/statistics...itizenship.jsp

https://www.bop.gov/about/statistics..._ethnicity.jsp

I'm sorry, but the Reason Magazine article I linked to specifically noted these charts as misleading.

"It too misrepresented data when it estimated that "one-in-five of all persons in the [federal] Bureau of Prisons custody were foreign born, and that 94 percent of confirmed aliens in custody were unlawfully present." That seems shockingly high as illegal immigrants are, at most, about 4 percent of the population. But if this report were right, they would be 19 percent of all prisoners.

But the report had no solid basis for its conclusion because it did not have all the prison data. If you scroll down beyond the report's press release and Summary of Findings, it admits as much. It notes:

This report does not include data on the foreign-born or alien populations in state prisons and local jails because state and local facilities do not routinely provide DHS or DOJ with comprehensive information about their inmates and detainees. This limitation is noteworthy because state and local facilities account for approximately 90 percent of the total U.S. incarcerated population. DHS and DOJ are working to develop a reliable methodology for estimating the status of state and local incarcerated populations in future reports.

Of course that didn't stop Fox News and other similar outfits from using it to peddle their "illegal immigrants are hardened criminal" line.

It is really important to bear in mind that the federal prison population is not representative of the incarcerated populations in state and local prisons. That's because federal prisons house illegal immigrants who commit immigration offenses. The ones who commit more serious crimes tend to be housed in state adult correctional facilities."

https://reason.com/archives/2018/02/...ants-and-crime

[Decadence]

Originally Posted by Brian249x

I am frankly bewildered at some of the right wing media's anti-immigrant campaign, because many industries are dependent on these sources of labor to function or to keep costs down. Many of their advertisers and the donors to the GOP are being harmed by the anti-immigrant crusade.

I continue to be amazed at how the word "illegal" in conveniently dropped from the phrase "anti-immigrant". It could be construed as just another attempt by the left to portray the right as a bunch of racist bigots.

Nobody I know has a problem with legal immigration, myself included. America is unique in the world where there's the potential for anybody to come here and become an American. But as an American, I couldn't go to Japan and become Japanese.

I have a huge problem with attitudes of those who think it's okay to sneak in here and then start making demands while refusing to assimilate (as well as anyone who promotes or makes excuses for this behavior). I'm not a fan of DACA, where people are able to benefit from their parents breaking the law. I've had more than enough of the illegals who come here and proudly wave the flag of another country, but consider it punishment to be sent back there.

It makes me wonder how many of the people who claim we need all this cheap labor are the same ones demanding that people make $15/hour for flipping burgers at McDonald's.

[ultimatewarlord]

Sorry Brian. I can't take that report as unbiased. Firstly, they start off by using the phrase 'unauthorized immigrants' rather than illegal, therefore suggesting an initial bias. Secondly, they suggest that Kirsanow is probably wrong because the stats may be because a foreign national may have been incarcerated ten times in a year rather than it being ten individuals. Are they therefore suggesting that there are a tenth of that number but they're so habitual that they are on a rotational incarceration. Maybe the truth lies somewhere in between.
Anyway, if the USA has so many criminals of it's own nation, why would they want to allow more in?