The Third World War

[cicciobuki]

Originally Posted by Nobody1

The Korean War has never stopped. There is only a ceasefire agreement. North Korea is a really poor, internationally isolated nation which seeks to conclude a peace treaty since 1953.

Fact is, the only one who is not interested to sign a peace treaty is Washington.

A peace treaty might just be the ultimate nightmare for the rich North Korean elite, as that would be the end of their game.

[Nobody1]

Originally Posted by SanteeFats

I went to the anti-was.com link you posted. Decent enough. The questions I would have are 1. IF Korea were to be reunited what kind of government would there be?? 2. IF NK said they would go for democratic elections I would find it extremely hard to believe they really mean it. Especially in their own territory. 3. What happens to both sides rather large military? Integrated after 60 years of almost conflict? Who gets to be the military leader of the combined forces and who would trust whoever it was.
I can't see the Korea conundrum being settled unless the North is overthrown and becomes a lot less aggressive and, from time to time, not so confrontational.

Look, I don't have an answer for everything. But I'll describe my thoughts.

First of all, it was about a peace treaty. I think this is an achievable goal, good will provided. All other issues must be clarified among Koreans. That is a task of diplomacy, not militaristic confrontation. Diplomacy requires trust, and trust requires courage and a certain strength of character. I'm pretty sure the Korean people have these properties.

My personal opinion as a German (especially as a former East German) is that there is always a way. Germany is the best example that a reunion can work without violence, even under these prerequisites. One must make many concessions, and there will be very many unpredictable changes. But you can make it. Germany is now stronger than ever, but not because we wage war against the entire world or against ourselves. Cooperation is the key.

One more thing. We Germans know the feeling of national separation only too well, and have much understanding of the situation of the Korean people. We can very well put ourselves in their situation. I know there is a peaceful solution.

[nckgmd]

Originally Posted by knobby109

The Chinese monster doesn't need to be created; it's the world's most populous country and it is inevitable that it will eventually become the #1 economic power.
As for ruining the free world countries , where is the evidence for that? Certainly much of the manufacturing is now done there but that hasn't left us in abject poverty. Up till the banking collapse our economies and individual wealth were rising rapidly and the nailing of prices of consumer goods by China has played a major part in this.
The economy shifts through time, industries grow and collapse again and new ways of earning a living come along.

Globalisation has hurried the Chinese growth and dominance. Shifting all manufacturing there is a huge mistake..It has made them extremely rich and basically now own Americas debt. The western countries would not be able to compete with their military output. Now they are showing their dominance they are laying claim to lands that are not their own. The Palau Islands. Ask Filipino's are they happy with China? As for the price of consumer goods yes luxury items are cheaper and I'm sure all the thousand's of unemployed are greatful they can afford a 60 inch LCD tv. Job's have gone from Australia and they aint coming back. People are starting to realise there's no more work for the average person. We have an unemployment rate of between 5-6% but to qualify as employed you only have to work one hour per week.. Our real under employed rate would be 20% or more and growing. Banking crisis has caused the worlds economic problem but globalisation has white anted our economy we will never get out.. Poverty has become a problem in Australia....

[knobby109]

Originally Posted by nckgmd

Globalisation has hurried the Chinese growth and dominance. Shifting all manufacturing there is a huge mistake..It has made them extremely rich and basically now own Americas debt. The western countries would not be able to compete with their military output. Now they are showing their dominance they are laying claim to lands that are not their own. The Palau Islands. Ask Filipino's are they happy with China? As for the price of consumer goods yes luxury items are cheaper and I'm sure all the thousand's of unemployed are greatful they can afford a 60 inch LCD tv. Job's have gone from Australia and they aint coming back. People are starting to realise there's no more work for the average person. We have an unemployment rate of between 5-6% but to qualify as employed you only have to work one hour per week.. Our real under employed rate would be 20% or more and growing. Banking crisis has caused the worlds economic problem but globalisation has white anted our economy we will never get out.. Poverty has become a problem in Australia....

As you know,things change with time. The Luddites smashed machinery because they believed that, as one frame could do the work of many workers they would be putting them out of business..But the outcome of industrialisation was the development of new jobs which were never imagined.OK, jobs are lost from manufacturing but are constantly being created in other fields.
China will become an economic superpower.In my grandfather's day the UK produced over half the world's manufactured goods and transported them in ships which accounted for half the vessels on the planet.Incidentally it was the shipping, insurance and selling on rather than actually making things which were the big earners.Inevitably other countries caught up, first Germany (with twice the population and an excellent educational system) and then the US with even more people and massive natural resources. You can fight above your weight for a while but eventually numbers come into play.

[nckgmd]

Originally Posted by knobby109

As you know,things change with time. The Luddites smashed machinery because they believed that, as one frame could do the work of many workers they would be putting them out of business..But the outcome of industrialisation was the development of new jobs which were never imagined.OK, jobs are lost from manufacturing but are constantly being created in other fields.
China will become an economic superpower.In my grandfather's day the UK produced over half the world's manufactured goods and transported them in ships which accounted for half the vessels on the planet.Incidentally it was the shipping, insurance and selling on rather than actually making things which were the big earners.Inevitably other countries caught up, first Germany (with twice the population and an excellent educational system) and then the US with even more people and massive natural resources. You can fight above your weight for a while but eventually numbers come into play.

The difference is U.K. and U.S. will sign agreements and abide (with some niggling) to them. The Chinese sign and do whatever the hell they please.. How many times has the U.S. complained about China artificially controlling the value of their currency? Lots of times and the Chinese don't care. Australia has gone down the route of globalisation and free trade more than any other country. We have lowered our tariffs to 0 where as others have kept them high and controlled their currency. we have de-regulated everything here. Two major companies own 80% of our food, retail, petrol and insurance.. You can't do that in the U.S. because of Anti trust laws. We are now selling off prime farm land and water holding rights even though it's now becoming a matter of national security. People want an enquiry but we're told it's the free market. Sold all our Utilities to foreign owners. Now the price of gas and electricity has gone through the roof and the infrastructure is collapsing. Now our glorious right wing leader is trying to give the go ahead to importing workers. It used to be if you couldn't find the skill in Australia you could import a worker. Now it's if they're cheaper it's ok. Lot's of unemployed Aussies on the way.. Unless they're interested in working for $2 a day. An economist on T.V. the other day said what this government and other governments of this country have done is to turn Australia into a third world economy.... I agree.... People are just starting to see it....

[nckgmd]

If you want to know the sort of Prime Minister's Australia has elected and just how stupid they are.. This Vid will teach all you need to know... http://youtu.be/c3IaKVmkXuk

[thunderfly]

When you consider the first and second world wars. They both started with fairly minor incidents (incidents that can and do happen almost all the time in any location) and escalated from there. First world war - an Archduke is assassinated and it snowballs from there. Second world war: Germany marches into Poland to take back land it lost after losing first world war and it escalates from there right up until the A bombs dropping on Japan.
Perhaps the third world war is already happening right under our noses but the super powers are strong enough to keep it contained and to be played on their terms and by their rules.

[nckgmd]

Originally Posted by thunderfly

When you consider the first and second world wars. They both started with fairly minor incidents (incidents that can and do happen almost all the time in any location) and escalated from there. First world war - an Archduke is assassinated and it snowballs from there. Second world war: Germany marches into Poland to take back land it lost after losing first world war and it escalates from there right up until the A bombs dropping on Japan.
Perhaps the third world war is already happening right under our noses but the super powers are strong enough to keep it contained and to be played on their terms and by their rules.

I believe you're right it very well could be starting... But I'm thinking Putin is smarter than Hitler. With pressure and armed thugs you can get people to vote for annexation.. But Crimea was a part of Russia first before being given to Ukraine by Krushchev, so a lot of Crimeans probably wouldn't of needed much encouragement... If he can do the same to the Ukraine he then can take former satellite Soviet countries without the need of a Blitzkrieg.. But I'm thinking if he tries to do this to a country such as Poland someone with balls will have to make a decision.... I'm going to start to watch Doomsday Preppers......

[Nobody1]

Originally Posted by nckgmd

But I'm thinking if he tries to do this to a country such as Poland someone with balls will have to make a decision.... I'm going to start to watch Doomsday Preppers......

Putin will do nothing. He doesn't have to.

[trailmaster]

In my opinion there will never be World War 3 in my lifetime. The end of the cold war and the breakup of the Soviet Union ends at least for the time being any threat from the Russians. China is still communist, but they are embracing some of the ideals of capitalism so I don't think they have plans to start a war which would devastate their nation and destroy all the gains they have made in the last ten years. Then there is North Korea which claims it has a million man army and has the bomb, but I know that if the North Koreans tried anything funny the Chinese would stop them, and Russia would help also. But there is one more thing that is more frightening than a war using atom or h bombs and that is germs that are being studied in secret labs all over the world. What if one day some superbug gets out of one of these labs and infects just one person. The pandemic from this infection could decimate the entire population of the world in just a couple of months.