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March 21st, 2018, 11:21 PM | #4231 |
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I only know about Santa Clara County agriculture in the 1970's - but other than the owners and their families whatever race they may be, the workforce was Hispanic, mostly limited English speaking. When land prices started to rise in later decades, the growers if they continued in that field, moved south where even more Hispanic migrant labor was available. I never saw a white or black paid laborer in the fields back when we owned an agriculture business.
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I don't regard 4% of our population as an "unchecked invasion." But I do think the fact that so many are able to find work here as proof that we need a more rational policy so that folks are here legally. If the policy were better, immigrant communities would be more likely to turn in bad actors. Last edited by Arturo2nd; March 22nd, 2018 at 03:54 PM.. |
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In Spain they get Northern African farm workers, in Italy Romanian ones. Extreme-right people are glad to buy cheap fruits and vegetables on the shelves of supermarket, because these legal and illegal workers work for a very cheap hourly wage. The same extreme-right people are not disturbed to know that these workers sleep at 12 in dormitories. But when they can, they vote against illegal immigration. Quote:
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That would maybe bring more local people in the orchards? Isn't it? Last edited by Roubignol; March 22nd, 2018 at 05:06 PM.. |
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March 22nd, 2018, 08:59 PM | #4234 |
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March 23rd, 2018, 06:07 AM | #4235 | |
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Talking to orchard managers, they're already doing this. Grapes used to be picked by hand, now they're picked mechanically in most places. The higher the labor cost goes, the faster the replacement of human laborers by machines will go. In Australia, which basically has very little cheap labor, pretty much all the grapes are picked mechanically. The technology was developed in the US, but because labor is more expensive downunder, it actually got deployed more widely in Oz-- but now its becoming widespread here. At $50 an hour wages, you'd have very few manual farmworkers-- you'd have folks runnning machines, just like you have folks running tractors now, but many fewer. |
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Politicians still contribute to human exploitation when we could share the last hard jobs between us (under the form of civil service) and giving the mechanicals ones to robots. Today the Latinos working in the orchards could play soccer 4 days a week, having their week-end and working one day in the orchards.... Human and animal exploitations could disappear. I don't understand why common people accept that it still exists. |
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It also seems there's a difference to be made in terms of actual refugees, and people who simply hop the fence because they feel they have the right to be here. Quote:
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The four percent you reference is the same 12 million figure that's been in use for the past 10 years. After 8 years of Obama's open border policies, nobody in their right minds thinks that number didn't rise dramatically. It's probably doubled by now.. but we'll never know because we have no bloody idea who is here. I wonder how many are here that have been deported more than once and are back yet again. Suppose one million Mexicans crossed the border during the Obama years. If they'd all come across at once instead of in smaller groups, it would be nothing short of an invasion. The end result is the same. Quote:
Are you saying extreme left people are not glad to buy cheap fruits and vegetables? Not to mention the concept of extreme right people voting against illegal immigration... ?
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- "But it seems to me that you repeat again and again the same theories." He replied: -"I'll do that, again and again, until everybody will understand them." Slavedrivers have to be unmasked and using your own terms: "We just need to drive the selfish bastards out of town in a hail of rocks to die alone on the prairie like ancestors used to do." |
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March 23rd, 2018, 03:04 PM | #4240 |
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You have made many statements about what is wrong or what you think needs to be done. Just which, if any, type of government would you prefer?? Anarchy doesn't count as sooner or later a strong person comes along and starts government all over again. |
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