Penthouse Pets VS Playboy Playmates - Page 7

**caboosier** · February 9th, 2016, 07:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by McClane

July 2004 Penthouse Letters has about a half dozen pages of Patricia Ford from her naughtier Suze era.

[from a Suze set]

If I remember correctly, Ms. Ford appeared in Penthouse as
Brandi Davis.
Possibly in other publications as well.

PackOfLies · February 14th, 2016, 12:22 AM

Fave bunny was Alana Soares, fave Pet was Mindy Farrar.

jomend · March 16th, 2016, 06:35 PM

One of my all time favorites is Alexis Winston of penthouse

skippy1729 · July 15th, 2018, 04:09 PM

It's taken me decades to realize this:

1. ALL PB centerfold pictures have the model with eyes open and direct eye contact with the lens and hence the viewer.

2. In the 60s, 70s & 80s, the era in which I was a regular buyer, PH centerfold shots usually had their eyes closed or directed at something other than the viewer.

In a subliminal way, I find the PB centerfold shots much more stimulating. It's as if the Playmate is saying: "I'm here and I'm naked for you.". The PH shots from this era are move voyeuristic. All of my favourite PH Pets are from the 90's. Heidi Lynn and Veronica Gillespie and many others have intimate eye contact with me. This combined with the typical posed position on her back, knees up and legs spread screams: "I'm here, I'm naked, fuck me whenever you're ready.".

I have no comment on the current crop of Pets and Playmates. I'm not gonna spent 10 bucks and open the magazine to find a girl pissing or a tranny freak.

astronight · October 12th, 2018, 09:19 AM

I started this and a " miss vintage erotica " thread, and I had another idea and first idea was not to start another thread.
I always liked the idea of a playoff sort of thing knowing it is just us members here competing like a sports fantasy thing we use ones work to prove we are right..something like that is a classic fan base model admiration.
Lets go with the big three ( leagues..if you like sports )....
Playboy first issue 1953.
Penthouse first issue 1969.
Hustler first issue 1974.
To be fair we shave off a few years here and there and add a few. January 1980 to December 1999, a little prime and downfall time for all publications.
Pick a year, month, and model. No big deal and by far all those gals we adore are special why we all all here.
Lets go with February 1996.
Kona playboy http://vintage-erotica-forum.com/sho...t=Kona+Carmack

Jessica hustler http://vintage-erotica-forum.com/sho...&postcount=794

All good and fine, then there is perfect princess Sabrina West aka Sara Lynn
http://vintage-erotica-forum.com/sho...t=sabrina+west
Sara Lynn/Sabrina West is until proven otherwise a image of Aphrodite, so Penthouse really had power having her, and failed after her..they really did.
No real winners or do I care to compare perfection to others.
Interesting still to see what each one published to compete that month.
I do not think they thought of it that way, sure not.

**Adam West** · October 15th, 2018, 02:17 AM

As someone said earlier, why can't we have both?

I was lucky in that during that magical of summer of 1974 (my favorite summer ever), I was a 12-year-that didn't have to worry about school for three months, nor a job.

One of the things I did every weekday (when my parents were both working) was go into either our walk-in attic or my parents room and look under the bed, and voila, several dozen magazines of both PB and PH. Sprinkled in were a few issues of Oui, Hustler and Gallery.

I loved both the women of PB and PH, but as I had a stocking fetish even as a kid (thanks to my Aunt Pam), I preferred PH as the models wore them more. But as I grew older, I started preferring PB as I was into the girl next door a little more than the one across the street.

My favorite Playmate of all time: Kelly Tough.
My favorite Penthouse Pet of all time: Sandy Bernadou.

Please don't ask me to choose just one.

ragnar9146 · May 8th, 2020, 11:25 PM

This is an old thread, but I am going to throw in my two bits anyway.

I grew up in a strict religious home so my chances to see Penthouse and Playboy were very limited. Nevertheless, as an enterprising young man going through puberty in the mid-70s, I found ways. Later throughout the 1980s when I was in my 20s, thanks to a couple of used bookstores that sold old copies I revisited many Playboys and Penthouses from the 70s, and I also bought numerous editions of both through the 80s. Through that exposure, I developed a fairly strong preference for Penthouse.

Penthouse offered more. The pictorials were beautifully shot, creative, and well-composed. Others have documented the "pubic wars" of the 1970s as the two magazines competed for market shares, or rather Playboy tried to fend off the encroachment of the upstart Penthouse. By the 80s however, the two magazines seemed to settle into their divergent editorial philosophies offering different approaches to the celebration sexuality and feminine beauty.

Playboy backed off the competition for the cutting edge and settled into their original market niche. Playboy pictorials focused on the "Girl Next Door" as she evolved, while most of the pages in the magazine continued to promote the "Playboy Lifestyle" of sophisticated, evolved masculinity. Except for the nude pictures, Playboy in these articles ran fairly parallel to other men's lifestyle magazines like Esquire and GQ. In the photographs though, it is quite true, as others in this thread have noted, that Playboy was better at celebrating feminine beauty across the racial spectrum while maybe not deviating too far from their long-standing preference for women with the very generous curves of the "Barbie Doll" look: large breasts, narrow waists, and full hips.

Penthouse took the route of focusing more on the sheer celebration of sexuality. They offered artful yet explicit photography and increasing doses of photographed sexual "stories" as a celebration of sexuality that paralleled the explicit user stories in the forum section. There was the long-running sexual advice column, and a section with reviews of X-Rated movies, as well as articles about sexuality and sexual-related issues. In their other articles, Penthouse took a more contrarian progressive critique of society in the 70s and 80s with their very early embrace of Vietnam veterans and politics and other topics for investigative journalism.

Incidentally, I know that many people have expressed disbelief about the Penthouse forum letters being authentic, but they were actual letters from Penthouse readers -- albeit edited for readability by the same person. In a Huffington Post article about Bob Guccione after his death, Susie Bright, who was a Penthouse writer in the 80s, states that the original forum letters came in by the basketful each week. https://www.huffpost.com/entry/bob-g...-and-_b_810710 So, although the myth of some writers being paid to sit and crank out those sometimes exaggerated and fictitious-sounding stories is unfounded, the stories may well have been individually embellished. On the other hand, in my experience, truth is often stranger than fiction.

Penthouse gradually increased the explicitness of their pictorials in the 80s, and then dramatically increased it in the 90s, which led, of course, by the 2000s, to it becoming the publication of hard-core pornography that was nearly indistinguishable from any other pornographic material on the internet. I know the definition of pornography has varied quite a bit, but in my view, the line that makes pornography "hard-core" is when the sexual acts become "real" - as in mainly penetration or stimulation of sexual organs: erect penises in vaginas, mouths, and asses, mouths on erect penises and vulva, etc. I remember in the fall of 1993 on a deployment, an Army buddy of mine, going through a new issue of Penthouse, and exclaiming happily about a girl-girl pictorial, "Hey look! They're showing tongue to clit contact!" It was a new step in the progression away from simulated soft-core sex that had been the norm in the pictorials of sexual stories that Penthouse had started including as far back as the mid-70s.

As far as Bob Guccione goes, I watched the documentary "Filthy Gorgeous" about his life and it seemed to be a fair portrayal of him including his positive and negative points alike and illustrating the curve of his life fortunes. I don't think of him as a sleazeball though his personal sexual ethics were certainly very "liberal." I was surprised to discover that, except for Bob, the staff at Penthouse was entirely women a good part of the time.

I have also watched biographies of Hugh Hefner and the contrast between the two men is interesting. Hugh had a life-time of girlfriends and wives coming and going, almost all of them playmate-age women. Though it took two failed marriages before he met Kathy Keeton, Bob, on the other hand, seemed more monogamous, albeit in a somewhat open-type of marriage. Kathy became his business partner in their publishing enterprise and they stayed together until she passed from cancer. According to Xaviera Hollander in "Filthy Gorgeous" it wasn't too uncommon for them to include others (including Xaviera) in their sex.

Whether it was for better or worse to our society and to me personally, who can say, but both men made a huge impact on the sexual revolution in different ways. Both magazines certainly affected my own life and development. If I was going to put a positive spin on it, I would say they helped both men and women realize more of what was possible sexually- the beauty and ecstasy that can be enjoyed. Was it at times exploitative, with negative outcomes for various individuals? Yes, but so also has been the mainstream entertainment industry- chewing up and spitting out an inevitable percentage of those who pursue those careers.

osceola · May 9th, 2020, 08:05 PM

Really enjoyed reading post #67 and I'm about the same age. I'll just add two points.

1. I noticed PH models changing to more "sex professional" by the late 1980s. Previous pets ranged from college students (Nancy Sebastian, 1974) to actresses (Corinne Alphen, twice a pet) to professional models (Victoria Lynn Johnson) for whom the men's magazine was just another job alongside her TV commercial and fashion shoots.

By the late 1980s, the models were more likely strippers and women already doing porn videos. I liked the late '70s-early '80s girls better.

2. PH was late to the game on feaaturing women of color, not really having any until the late 1980s. (Jenna Persaud was fantastic! How could anyone not want to see her nude?) PB, on the other hand, realized in the late 1960s that a lot of black guys in the military wanted to see some naked sisters and Hefner accommodated that. I don't know why PH was so slow recognizing beautiful women of color.

One last thing. Victoria Lynn Johnson is still my all-time favorite and always will be!

**sto** · May 9th, 2020, 10:54 PM

I preferred Penthouse since there was spread pussy and lesbian pics which were not at least in the 80's at all present in Playboy.

~~bigtrain45~~ · May 10th, 2020, 12:45 AM

One of the things I wonder about re Playboy, and the mansion in particular, with Hef hosting parties often and having celeb guests over all the time, and several Playmates always living there, were the women being "pimped out" to his friends at these parties? Were there house rules? What were the women told was expected of them when some celeb hit on them? Has any former Playmate ever talked about this for public consumption?

October 12th, 2018, 09:19 AM	#65
astronight Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 214 Thanks: 139 Thanked 2,994 Times in 200 Posts	I started this and a " miss vintage erotica " thread, and I had another idea and first idea was not to start another thread. I always liked the idea of a playoff sort of thing knowing it is just us members here competing like a sports fantasy thing we use ones work to prove we are right..something like that is a classic fan base model admiration. Lets go with the big three ( leagues..if you like sports ).... Playboy first issue 1953. Penthouse first issue 1969. Hustler first issue 1974. To be fair we shave off a few years here and there and add a few. January 1980 to December 1999, a little prime and downfall time for all publications. Pick a year, month, and model. No big deal and by far all those gals we adore are special why we all all here. Lets go with February 1996. Kona playboy http://vintage-erotica-forum.com/sho...t=Kona+Carmack Jessica hustler http://vintage-erotica-forum.com/sho...&postcount=794 All good and fine, then there is perfect princess Sabrina West aka Sara Lynn http://vintage-erotica-forum.com/sho...t=sabrina+west Sara Lynn/Sabrina West is until proven otherwise a image of Aphrodite, so Penthouse really had power having her, and failed after her..they really did. No real winners or do I care to compare perfection to others. Interesting still to see what each one published to compete that month. I do not think they thought of it that way, sure not. __________________ To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. Last edited by astronight; October 12th, 2018 at 09:32 AM..

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February 14th, 2016, 12:22 AM	#62
PackOfLies Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 380 Thanks: 518 Thanked 2,085 Times in 358 Posts	Fave bunny was Alana Soares, fave Pet was Mindy Farrar.

March 16th, 2016, 06:35 PM	#63
jomend Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 1 Thanks: 6 Thanked 8 Times in 1 Post	One of my all time favorites is Alexis Winston of penthouse

July 15th, 2018, 04:09 PM	#64
skippy1729 Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 285 Thanks: 1,313 Thanked 2,907 Times in 261 Posts	It's taken me decades to realize this: 1. ALL PB centerfold pictures have the model with eyes open and direct eye contact with the lens and hence the viewer. 2. In the 60s, 70s & 80s, the era in which I was a regular buyer, PH centerfold shots usually had their eyes closed or directed at something other than the viewer. In a subliminal way, I find the PB centerfold shots much more stimulating. It's as if the Playmate is saying: "I'm here and I'm naked for you.". The PH shots from this era are move voyeuristic. All of my favourite PH Pets are from the 90's. Heidi Lynn and Veronica Gillespie and many others have intimate eye contact with me. This combined with the typical posed position on her back, knees up and legs spread screams: "I'm here, I'm naked, fuck me whenever you're ready.". I have no comment on the current crop of Pets and Playmates. I'm not gonna spent 10 bucks and open the magazine to find a girl pissing or a tranny freak.

October 15th, 2018, 02:17 AM	#66
Adam West Vintage Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Indianapolis - The Racing Capitol of the World Posts: 650 Thanks: 8,517 Thanked 6,205 Times in 635 Posts	As someone said earlier, why can't we have both? I was lucky in that during that magical of summer of 1974 (my favorite summer ever), I was a 12-year-that didn't have to worry about school for three months, nor a job. One of the things I did every weekday (when my parents were both working) was go into either our walk-in attic or my parents room and look under the bed, and voila, several dozen magazines of both PB and PH. Sprinkled in were a few issues of Oui, Hustler and Gallery. I loved both the women of PB and PH, but as I had a stocking fetish even as a kid (thanks to my Aunt Pam), I preferred PH as the models wore them more. But as I grew older, I started preferring PB as I was into the girl next door a little more than the one across the street. My favorite Playmate of all time: Kelly Tough. My favorite Penthouse Pet of all time: Sandy Bernadou. Please don't ask me to choose just one.

May 8th, 2020, 11:25 PM	#67
ragnar9146 Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2018 Posts: 1 Thanks: 0 Thanked 15 Times in 1 Post	Guccione vs Hefner This is an old thread, but I am going to throw in my two bits anyway. I grew up in a strict religious home so my chances to see Penthouse and Playboy were very limited. Nevertheless, as an enterprising young man going through puberty in the mid-70s, I found ways. Later throughout the 1980s when I was in my 20s, thanks to a couple of used bookstores that sold old copies I revisited many Playboys and Penthouses from the 70s, and I also bought numerous editions of both through the 80s. Through that exposure, I developed a fairly strong preference for Penthouse. Penthouse offered more. The pictorials were beautifully shot, creative, and well-composed. Others have documented the "pubic wars" of the 1970s as the two magazines competed for market shares, or rather Playboy tried to fend off the encroachment of the upstart Penthouse. By the 80s however, the two magazines seemed to settle into their divergent editorial philosophies offering different approaches to the celebration sexuality and feminine beauty. Playboy backed off the competition for the cutting edge and settled into their original market niche. Playboy pictorials focused on the "Girl Next Door" as she evolved, while most of the pages in the magazine continued to promote the "Playboy Lifestyle" of sophisticated, evolved masculinity. Except for the nude pictures, Playboy in these articles ran fairly parallel to other men's lifestyle magazines like Esquire and GQ. In the photographs though, it is quite true, as others in this thread have noted, that Playboy was better at celebrating feminine beauty across the racial spectrum while maybe not deviating too far from their long-standing preference for women with the very generous curves of the "Barbie Doll" look: large breasts, narrow waists, and full hips. Penthouse took the route of focusing more on the sheer celebration of sexuality. They offered artful yet explicit photography and increasing doses of photographed sexual "stories" as a celebration of sexuality that paralleled the explicit user stories in the forum section. There was the long-running sexual advice column, and a section with reviews of X-Rated movies, as well as articles about sexuality and sexual-related issues. In their other articles, Penthouse took a more contrarian progressive critique of society in the 70s and 80s with their very early embrace of Vietnam veterans and politics and other topics for investigative journalism. Incidentally, I know that many people have expressed disbelief about the Penthouse forum letters being authentic, but they were actual letters from Penthouse readers -- albeit edited for readability by the same person. In a Huffington Post article about Bob Guccione after his death, Susie Bright, who was a Penthouse writer in the 80s, states that the original forum letters came in by the basketful each week. https://www.huffpost.com/entry/bob-g...-and-_b_810710 So, although the myth of some writers being paid to sit and crank out those sometimes exaggerated and fictitious-sounding stories is unfounded, the stories may well have been individually embellished. On the other hand, in my experience, truth is often stranger than fiction. Penthouse gradually increased the explicitness of their pictorials in the 80s, and then dramatically increased it in the 90s, which led, of course, by the 2000s, to it becoming the publication of hard-core pornography that was nearly indistinguishable from any other pornographic material on the internet. I know the definition of pornography has varied quite a bit, but in my view, the line that makes pornography "hard-core" is when the sexual acts become "real" - as in mainly penetration or stimulation of sexual organs: erect penises in vaginas, mouths, and asses, mouths on erect penises and vulva, etc. I remember in the fall of 1993 on a deployment, an Army buddy of mine, going through a new issue of Penthouse, and exclaiming happily about a girl-girl pictorial, "Hey look! They're showing tongue to clit contact!" It was a new step in the progression away from simulated soft-core sex that had been the norm in the pictorials of sexual stories that Penthouse had started including as far back as the mid-70s. As far as Bob Guccione goes, I watched the documentary "Filthy Gorgeous" about his life and it seemed to be a fair portrayal of him including his positive and negative points alike and illustrating the curve of his life fortunes. I don't think of him as a sleazeball though his personal sexual ethics were certainly very "liberal." I was surprised to discover that, except for Bob, the staff at Penthouse was entirely women a good part of the time. I have also watched biographies of Hugh Hefner and the contrast between the two men is interesting. Hugh had a life-time of girlfriends and wives coming and going, almost all of them playmate-age women. Though it took two failed marriages before he met Kathy Keeton, Bob, on the other hand, seemed more monogamous, albeit in a somewhat open-type of marriage. Kathy became his business partner in their publishing enterprise and they stayed together until she passed from cancer. According to Xaviera Hollander in "Filthy Gorgeous" it wasn't too uncommon for them to include others (including Xaviera) in their sex. Whether it was for better or worse to our society and to me personally, who can say, but both men made a huge impact on the sexual revolution in different ways. Both magazines certainly affected my own life and development. If I was going to put a positive spin on it, I would say they helped both men and women realize more of what was possible sexually- the beauty and ecstasy that can be enjoyed. Was it at times exploitative, with negative outcomes for various individuals? Yes, but so also has been the mainstream entertainment industry- chewing up and spitting out an inevitable percentage of those who pursue those careers.

May 9th, 2020, 08:05 PM	#68
osceola Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 15 Thanks: 503 Thanked 168 Times in 12 Posts	Really enjoyed reading post #67 and I'm about the same age. I'll just add two points. 1. I noticed PH models changing to more "sex professional" by the late 1980s. Previous pets ranged from college students (Nancy Sebastian, 1974) to actresses (Corinne Alphen, twice a pet) to professional models (Victoria Lynn Johnson) for whom the men's magazine was just another job alongside her TV commercial and fashion shoots. By the late 1980s, the models were more likely strippers and women already doing porn videos. I liked the late '70s-early '80s girls better. 2. PH was late to the game on feaaturing women of color, not really having any until the late 1980s. (Jenna Persaud was fantastic! How could anyone not want to see her nude?) PB, on the other hand, realized in the late 1960s that a lot of black guys in the military wanted to see some naked sisters and Hefner accommodated that. I don't know why PH was so slow recognizing beautiful women of color. One last thing. Victoria Lynn Johnson is still my all-time favorite and always will be!

May 9th, 2020, 10:54 PM	#69
sto Veteran Member Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 17,730 Thanks: 54,671 Thanked 270,701 Times in 17,558 Posts	I preferred Penthouse since there was spread pussy and lesbian pics which were not at least in the 80's at all present in Playboy.

May 10th, 2020, 12:45 AM	#70
~~bigtrain45~~ Banned! Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Savannah GA Posts: 16,142 Thanks: 47,756 Thanked 215,718 Times in 16,027 Posts	One of the things I wonder about re Playboy, and the mansion in particular, with Hef hosting parties often and having celeb guests over all the time, and several Playmates always living there, were the women being "pimped out" to his friends at these parties? Were there house rules? What were the women told was expected of them when some celeb hit on them? Has any former Playmate ever talked about this for public consumption?