Will Terrorism be the norm?

[savage560]

How can we stop it?

Ideas to remedy this continuing disaster. Can this continue in a the world today, without major adjustment to our way of living?

It seems its not taken too seriously especially here in the US,shortly after the shock value wears off, until it affects those personally. Today there were Americans from nearby areas to me, who were killed in Nice.

Why can we not call this as our president cannot , "Extremist Islamic Terrorism"?Where again do those who belong to the "religion of peace" stand en masse on this tragedy?Or the 911 massacre?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WOSHX4VREV8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCtiwBrWHUc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W5BtQgTGOI4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qF2yu2BYuDU

What common sense says...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQSFv2wUuv4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SY7NSjKoiH0

[9876543210]

savage560,

Originally Posted by savage560

How can we stop it?

First, and most importantly, stop meddling in the Middle East!

Until Westerners completely understand that Muslims have been at war with each other for over a thousand years, then westerners will continue to make stupid mistakes and will stay involved in the area. Stay out of the area and let the Muslims beat each other up.

Quit using oil! Especially Middle Eastern oil. Imagine this.

Lets say that we developed an electronic grid and transportation system that no longer needed oil? All of our cars, trucks, planes and other transportation vehicles ran off of electricity. Fossil fuels basically stay in the ground from now on.

Would we care what was happening in the Middle East then? Not as much as we do now. Thats for sure.

Ideas to remedy this continuing disaster. Can this continue in a the world today, without major adjustment to our way of living?

Either do the above or just get used to periodic attacks. Its really that simple. If we quit screwing with them then most Muslims will quit screwing with us.

Now, that is a bit simplistic. We will have to do something about Daesh. But I think they will have to be taken care of by other Muslims. Possibly, periodically, backed up by western special forces.

Just saw something on CNN recently which suggested these bombings are creating more terrorists than they're killing. Certainly worth considering.

And then lastly, work out ways to include those Muslims who are interested in the world economy in an equitable way. Not sure how that would be accomplished but I think it needs to be done. After all, most humans need to feel they have some value. When they feel worthless and forgotten then they are willing to do things only the desperate will do.

Just my opinion.

[mikeboob]

Anyone old enough to remember the 70s and 80s (and that's plenty here!) knows perfectly well this is just the latest manifestation of a long standing phenomena.

Back then it was extremes of right and left, now it's religion/culture. And now as then Americans killed more people on their own streets and in their own homes with hand guns than are killed by terrorist actions in any given week/month/year.

So it's not something I get too worked up about really.

[scoundrel]

Originally Posted by mikeboob

Anyone old enough to remember the 70s and 80s (and that's plenty here!) knows perfectly well this is just the latest manifestation of a long standing phenomena.

Back then it was extremes of right and left, now it's religion/culture. And now as then Americans killed more people on their own streets and in their own homes with hand guns than are killed by terrorist actions in any given week/month/year.

So it's not something I get too worked up about really.

This is my take on it as well. I live in a country where anyone much under sixty has grown up around terrorism, although mainland Britain was far less exposed than Northern Ireland was. I have heard terrorist bombs explode more than once, quite close by. You need to appreciate that it is attention seeking bahaviour and the correct response if to seek out and punish the bad actors but to dismiss with contempt the actions which they perform. One day after the Nice atrocity the bars and cafes of Nice were full: the people of Nice showed that they are made of the right stuff, because it takes nerve to go out knowing that there are terrorists out there who want to kill you. but part of the answer is to grow a pair, stop whining and get on with life in defiance of the scum.

[Killermansm]

On a basic human level we are programmed to be tribal to fulfil our basic requirement of defence, and this has been up-scaled with the advent of religion and the idea of separate nations. On this rationale the conclusion would be to assume that conflict on any scale will always occur.

As has been approached in other comments in this section, in order not to be targeted, sometimes it is better not to poke your head into someone else's business to avoid potential conflict.

[Gladys Allova]

It is the norm, it always has been during my lifetime & was before.
I think that previously it was localised & territorial, we had security services that would 'keep a lid on' things so as not to frighten the horses.

As many things are now, it's become a global issue, we're informed in minutes when it could take days or weeks to learn of unrest elsewhere in the world.

That's what these non-discript, no agenda groups rely on, our ability to communicate & care.
It happens Heaven forfend that it never occurs to anyone directly known to You or I, but ultimately it's best to shrug & get on. There's no point in trying to legislate against an individual who is intent on destroying the lives of others before their own - it isn't possible.

There's a lot to be upset about in the world, the lazy won't become Politically motivated, nor become Artists and change minds. They will want change now and damn to Hades any random innocent who is unfortunate to catch them on their fateful last day.
If links to any group, religion or cause are drawn afterwards, it's often a broad brushstroke to explain-away a symptom of an unhappy soul.

[savage560]

Originally Posted by 9876543210

savage560,



First, and most importantly, stop meddling in the Middle East!

Until Westerners completely understand that Muslims have been at war with each other for over a thousand years, then westerners will continue to make stupid mistakes and will stay involved in the area. Stay out of the area and let the Muslims beat each other up.

Quit using oil! Especially Middle Eastern oil. Imagine this.

Lets say that we developed an electronic grid and transportation system that no longer needed oil? All of our cars, trucks, planes and other transportation vehicles ran off of electricity. Fossil fuels basically stay in the ground from now on.

Would we care what was happening in the Middle East then? Not as much as we do now. Thats for sure.



Either do the above or just get used to periodic attacks. Its really that simple. If we quit screwing with them then most Muslims will quit screwing with us.

Now, that is a bit simplistic. We will have to do something about Daesh. But I think they will have to be taken care of by other Muslims. Possibly, periodically, backed up by western special forces.

Just saw something on CNN recently which suggested these bombings are creating more terrorists than they're killing. Certainly worth considering.

And then lastly, work out ways to include those Muslims who are interested in the world economy in an equitable way. Not sure how that would be accomplished but I think it needs to be done. After all, most humans need to feel they have some value. When they feel worthless and forgotten then they are willing to do things only the desperate will do.

Just my opinion.

Stop driving your car, live like the Amish, then!

[savage560]

I spoke with several engineers on the subject of how far are we from alternative energy on a broad base & they stated we have no new technology on the fairly close horizon to replace the use of fossil fuels like oil.Wind power ain't gonna cut it on a grand scale, & even electric cars still need charging stations that are supplied by power sources that run on FF.We all seen what going nuclear can result to.Besides, the US has done a good job of reducing its dependency on ME oil.Russia also has become a major supplier of FF.


Energy is not the sole reason the ME has the turmoil, or tribal conflicts that spill out to the world. They have deeper set problems with a so called religion that has not been lets say for lack of a better term ,modernized.It has been & still is a political movement , disguised as a so called religion.I see not much hope for change unless their ideology & way of life does?I don't know how it can be done, I not smart enough to work out a theory to do so, but they must go through a change of philosophy , in Islamic dominated countries, that can bring them , albeit kicking , screaming , crying & bitching , into the modern world. Until their practices of barbarism , from this political sect is modified, I see no hope for the majority of these people or the world who believe in these things.

http://www.liberator.net/articles/Tr...ois/Islam.html

http://www.danielpipes.org/comments/109734

http://www.ibnpercy.com/islam-is-fac...edom-in-islam/

http://pickeringpost.com/story/the-c...ic-incest/1316

http://www.barenakedislam.com/2013/0...you-never-see/

One can go on & on, on this issue of deep set issue of the rejection of modern science by this so called religion that refuses to be modernized.


In the fairly near future if this modernization & taming of this political movement does not take place, I see a war of monumental proportions being waged against this political movement as it stands today.Why must we bring them to the western nations?Just think of how Europe was before the hordes of Muslims were let in.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-uNBoUqGvVs

[9876543210]

scoundrel,

Originally Posted by scoundrel

...the people of Nice showed that they are made of the right stuff, because it takes nerve to go out knowing that there are terrorists out there who want to kill you. but part of the answer is to grow a pair, stop whining and get on with life in defiance of the scum.

Damn man, hear, hear!

[9876543210]

savage560,

Originally Posted by savage560

Stop driving your car, live like the Amish, then!

In a way, I've done the most I can for now. I drive a four cylinder Toyota truck with a 5 speed. About as fuel efficient as I can get. For now.

But things could be better if we improved our electronic and transportation infrastructures. Do you really disbelieve this?

And whats wrong with the Amish? I actually know a few that live not very far out of town. One family I know has a bakery and leather shop on their farm which I frequent periodically. Nice people that have a world view thats not all that bad. We could learn a few things from them.