What Is A Suitable Model ID?

[ponky]

Can we consider pure "XNK..." PMT threads? That could satisfy both attitudes.

[BCFC_1982]

Threads in the Solved Section are locked.

If a solved thread is marked with NTF and you have sufficient material of that model to post, let me know and I'll move it to the PMT section so it can be posted to.

Any other queries, let us know.

Unfortunately threads solved as XNK are not likely to be rehomed in content sections but I'm open to a section in ID land for them to live.

[hos]

just curious - is it meanwhile standard practice with requests like this, that they get declared as solved as soon as we have a link which only proofs the obvious?

this new discussion comes from this thread - a single set on indexx with no other name/ID available
http://vintage-erotica-forum.com/t42...-from-ddg.html

[Jazz67]

well, there's nothing to stop anyone adding additional content and/or names, which happens regularly.
But, the DD set was shot in 2007, and in that time no-one has linked any other content on her indexx page, and she doesn't even show up on theNude
All of that leads me to the conclusion that she's a one and done and we aren't going to get a better name, or it would have surfaced by now.

Once an unsolved thread drops off the front page there's very rarely any further updates, so by solving it at least we have a link to a db and a verifiable name.
It's the same reasoning why we have solves for XNC... and UWF..., it allows us to find them again if we get more information.

there's more info and reasoning here
http://vintage-erotica-forum.com/t28...liability.html

[hos]

thanks for giving us your take on it, Jazz.

for the shooting - i'm pretty sure it's an older shooting, mid to late 90s, recycled with a new late release date. while i understand that publishers like to recycle their content (there are good reasons beside "money"), as a collector i'd love to see some kind of standard to keep the original production dates. revamping-routines like redating of content just to make it look new and same time adding new IDs are pretty bad decisions for the customers, if you ask me.

anyhow, may think about just letting the request open, in this case. like this request was started, it was already known that she is Natasha @DDG and the request was about to find something "better", eventually more common, and not the same. leaving it open doesn't do any harm to anyone, making it "solved" rather tells other people not even checking the content of this thread, if their routine is to just look at requests which aren't solved already.

[Jazz67]

Yeah, you're right, there's a ©1999, so we've had 22 years for somebody to come up with a better name for her.
I've added a BNA for Best Name Available to the title, but I'm keeping it as Solved for the reasons above.

[pcaca]

Thank you all...

I'm with @hos in this, the purpose of this section is to try and find something better than what we already know. The fact this is an old set should not be a factor, maybe nobody came with a better name during all these years because nobody asked. I don't see a problem on leaving a thread as "open" or at least "unsolved", but I don't think this one is "solved". In addition we left a very short time for review after it was open. I'm sure many members of the forum didn't have a chance to take a look, and now they won't bother.

Maybe a compromise would be to leave it open one month or so before closing it (even if I still don't see a need to "solve" it, besides the moderator's peace of mind...)

Regards,

pcaca

[Jazz67]

Originally Posted by deezer

I went through this "What Is A Suitable Model ID?" and the Model Name Source Reliability?-thread, which are in my opinion inextricably linked with each other.

My focus is on films, so most of my thoughts are about the models, which appear in films.

1. For what purpose do we need a model-ID?

This is in my opinion the key question for the whole discussion.

Do we need an ID to get a chance to meet them or to find out something about their personal life? No!

From the POV of a single member, one only needs a name as a reference to find more of the models work here or outside of VEF.
From the POV of VEF we need a name to organize the forum, collect her work in a single thread and make the model searchable within VEF.

Keeping this in mind, every model-ID is suitable for me, even if it's invented or only a number, if the ID fulfill the conditions of searchability and organisation and opens the posibility to collect more of her stuff.

2. Model-ID in an ideal world


In an ideal world each model
a) is credited in all her appearances,
b) uses always the same name (no aliases),
c) uses a full (unique) name and
d) is listed in databases like iafd or egafd.


3. Model-ID in reality

We don't have an ideal world. Especially for lesser known models we fail on all these points 2.a) to 2.d).

Point 2.d) trumps always, even it is a xnk at egafd or a unknown at iafd. Because most times this led to other appearances. Also it fulfill the criteria of searchability. Even if there is a model listed only with a first name at egafd, because they are numbered like eg. Julia [2]. And you can search for her films, which are listed at iafd or egafd.

Where from originates the names at egfd or iafd? They take the credits, which are given at the cover or/and on-screen.
We can do the same, if a model isn't listed at egafd or iafd, but we get a credit from a film. If there is later a listing at egafd/iafd with another name, we can change the listing in the forum.

If there is no credit on cover or on screen, but we have names given at retailer-sites or at the websites of the studio, I would use them also. E.g. this requested girl could be listed as Samantha@Handjobhelpers.

If the model has/had her own site, a modelpage, a twitter account or is/was on a amateur-site like mydirtyhobby, we can use the name given there.

I would even use a name for which is no source available, if it is a name, which is widely spread in the web. E.g. mystery girl as Gom Kogaru or this mystery model. The latter model isn't listed anywhere, there is no source for the name Greta Guugili, but if you search the web with this name, you have thousands of hits with content of her. I'm pretty sure, that even in ten years, no reliable source for an ID of her can be found. So why not take what is spread in the web?

In lots of this cases we will never get a proper ID, which means a credit at a cover, a website, a db-listing, but enough stuff to collect in a thread. This is a problem especially with all the new amateur-stuff.


4. Is there a difference in the question of calling a request as solved and titling a thread?

Not really. If you have a model, which appears with many various names and you don't have a database ID of egafd or iafd, after some time this request could be solved with accepting the various names and moving the request-thread to the model thread, which is way more frequented, so there probably show up some more stuff.
But if the model is sitting for years in the mystery corner, the chance, that new stuff shows up is not so big in my opinion.
For the title in the model thread one can use the various names with maybe an addition, where it originates from, e.g. Greta Guugili@web; or Samantha@Handjobhelpers.

Originally Posted by Jazz67

I'd say that my criteria when I'm deciding on a name is primarily to create the easiest way to find more content - whether that's matching up threads on here, or finding external content, it's not really an issue.
I'm well aware that all of these names are made up, but I'm also aware that some sources are treated here as acceptable and others are laughed at, and to be honest I don't really see why.
There's a lot of MB Followups still open where the same name has come up a couple of times and for whatever reason it's not used.
I know that because I moved a few hundred of them earlier, and merged a couple of duplicates I spotted.

I don't know what the internal politics are of only allowing one name for a model (and I don't really care), when we know that they use different names at different times in their career, or for different producers. I can understand not having massively unwieldy thread titles listing every name she's ever had, but it's annoying when say, her iafd name isn't in the title and you've got to dig thru 100+ Carolina / Karolina threads to find out if the East European brunette you're checking actually has a thread or not.

I use the exact thread title if possible as I know there's no typos in that, and it's usually a unique ID if we're trying to match up threads/posts/IDs later.
In an ideal world our thread titles would include the database names (iafd, egafd, indexxx etc), and I'll add that if I think it needs it, like Deborah here
[solved NTF] Deborah [11] iafd - please help ID 'Deborah' from DDG
which means we can easily tie it up with this one I've just found again
[solved BNA] Deborah @ Digital Desire / Deborah [11] iafd - Classic ddg

As I've said before, the end game for MIR would be for every model to have a single Solved thread, and all of the content in that would be in her thread, but until we get advanced AI that ain't happening.
So I'll just keep chipping away

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[Jazz67]

the other thing to remember is that all Mods are volunteers, and we give up a lot of time to check posts (every post, plus again if it's edited), re-title threads, check solves, add missing links, merge threads, plus all the tidying up of the back end like moving Solves to Solved IDs, creating and moving to the Mystery Box (cheers deezer), etc, etc, etc.

I probably average about an hour a day doing that, split over 3 or 4 visits, but that's one full working day over the course of a week, so this is effectively a part-time unpaid job. Plus maybe one longer day every month or so to do a big tidy and tie some of the Solved threads together.
So, any solution needs to minimise the number of times we need to edit a thread - changing them to Provisional just means someone has to go back in 6 months time and change it to Solved BNA, which is why you've seen a lot less of those recently.

One thing that might work is just titling the thread [BNA] or [Provisional], rather than [Solved BNA] - it wouldn't get picked up in a Solved sweep, and we could sweep for [BNA] that are 3 months old and move those to Solved?
We wouldn't need to worry about changing the title when it gets moved to Solved after 3 moths inactivity, as by definition it's solved as it's in Solved Model IDs?

We'll see what the other Mods think.

[Jazz67]

just been doing some tidying, and there are currently 149 [provisional threads, all with names, dating back to 2016.
Nobody goes back to them to add info, as suspected, and if a better name does become available there's no way to cross-check the [provisional name against the new name

example
http://vintage-erotica-forum.com/sho...%5Bprovisional