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Old 06-30-2017, 03:37 PM   #21
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I think the GOP is just pandering to the fanatical evangelists on this & are dead wrong.
This is what I hate most about Republicans. We are supposed to have separation of church and state, and the Repubs want to tear this down, opening the door for Islamists too.
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My most important issue now is the Islamic invasion of Western countries, if it wasn't for that I would have probably voted for Hillary. I'm an issue voter, not a party voter.
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A mexican woman harasses a man for wearing a build the wall t-shirt. And I mean harasses. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W8TkjccKe_E
Guy got off easy. Would not had the shirt on in public in California. Might as well walk into Police Station with a "Fuck the Police" t-shirt on.
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Yes.
I will not quibble over exact definitions, it's mostly personal perspective, but -
I did think about which term to use in my post. Since I wanted to say something good about them I picked the one that had the least negative connotation, to my mind.

They may be similar in definition, but in the US, for me, the word Democrat brings thoughts of John Kennedy, while the word Leftist brings images of Antifa. I see Leftists as being more left than a Democrat.

Further, to me a Democrat (demo means people) is more concerned with the welfare of people; a Republican is more concerned with the welfare of State. This may be totally wrong but is how I see it.

Your analogy of liberty vs parity is, I suppose, fairly close to how I see it.

Either side can go too far.

I see Europe as being too far left. The concern for people in general (if that's what is driving events there, some think it's something else) has somehow driven Europe to commit suicide by Islamic immigration and forget about national and cultural survival.
This is abhorrent and ridiculous to me; and I am thinking more and more there must be some kind of ulterior motive to it.
All very true. Its just a fact that we as humans are very "tribal" in a sense, & if radically different counter cultures are introduced to a nation, their will be problems. Anywhere one looks WW this is true about Islam. Look at the Philippines, the Balkans, Syria, one can go on.

The only one who is stopping a mass murder of Christians in Syria is Assad. & one who thinks he knows all here states that I am a Putin spy, just because I support Putin's stance in the ME. Believe me, Putin knows a hell of a lot more about Syria than either of our 2 parties here.Putin kind of has skin in the game there too, because he wants to protect his fellow Orthodox Christians there . Russia still protects Christian rights, they even made overtures to the Caliphate of Turkey , to its Sultan, that they want to fix the crumbling Hagia Sophia up from decay,free of charge, if they return it to an Orthodox Church. Hey, then Turkey can look good & really secular, if they do. Both GOP & the Dems are on the wrong course on Syria, & many of our intelligence depts. astute personal has told then so! If you are against Assad , one is for the alternatives, either ISIS or other radical terrorists there, is basically what they said.

Back on Islamic minorities, when they get sizable, its a known fact that they become more demanding & even more radical. To the point, for example like one who is a mayor in Europe who says, Islamic terror just goes with the territory,just live with it! That seems to be what the Democratic party that supports Clinton wants for the US too . The GOP has to do something now to stop this , the ball is in their court, no excuses.

Yes, the Democrats are very left now. They are mostly for the very vocal & presently fashionable minority of gays,illegals, immigrants, future immigrants, transsexuals, bi-sexuals, everything but heterosexuals, you name it, but not for hard working tax payers of any "sexual". Today if JFK were alive he'd fall into the moderate Republican category, that's how far left the Dems are. Before Trump, the GOP was insanely right, or better put, a bunch of traitors to most American citizens. He "shamed" most of them into denouncing the TPP for example, when virtually all of them voted for it! Obama was even touting it, he showed his true colors there. Now he is getting 70 million bucks to write his memoirs, paid for by those he said he'd fight against, the billionaires.

Trump is more of a populist & the Democrats should learn from that, but their current strategy is not that, obviously. They, & their kind WW, want to absolutely flood this nation (& Europe) with high reproducing illegals & counter culture peoples, that's the only way they realize they can win here in the US for now, with their ideas. Many think its obvious that the Soros lead billionaires of the NWO & their minions want to change what has worked well for centuries & led us into the modern age, with its marvels .That namely is to destroy all nations & take down all borders, especially of European stock nations, & have a very few in control of a WW government. With the masses of the world battling one another & poor this is their desire, to leave us in "controlled" chaos.& the so called liberals are falling into this trap by the brainwashers, who keep pounding ideas into their heads, like all religions & cultures & peoples are exactly the same.

Hitler once stated it was too bad the Muslims didn't win in Tours or in Vienna, because that was a warrior , political sect that would have justified his Nazis ,if they were Islamic by result, to be more ruthless yet! How does that sit with those on the extreme left, who seem to be totally enamored with Islam? Gandhi once stated politics & religion are inseparable ,so choose your sides, wisely.
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Old 06-30-2017, 04:33 PM   #24
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A mexican woman harasses a man for wearing a build the wall t-shirt. And I mean harasses. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W8TkjccKe_E
Another example of the "tolerant left"!

Oh yes we can all tell how well educated she is!
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Guy got off easy. Would not had the shirt on in public in California. Might as well walk into Police Station with a "Fuck the Police" t-shirt on.
Why would you as a "tolerant lefty", in that "liberal" & tolerant state that all say we must model ourselves after, hurt him or kill him?

What no free speech in CA?

This kind , I guess as the states demographics have shifted to the more "tolerant" , are the only ones that can be heard.Funny no one killed them, yet the "tolerant lefties" are the only ones doing the violence. What?????


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RLZAa-u2n48

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9R4HGenwX6E

Just another great example of Marxist left thugs!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9R4HGenwX6E

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X2qpQjoBKY8
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Another example of the "tolerant left"!

Oh yes we can all tell how well educated she is!
I'll raise you Portland; you'll call with Alexandria...

Dude, it's a pointless exercize.
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This is what I hate most about Republicans. We are supposed to have separation of church and state, and the Repubs want to tear this down, opening the door for Islamists too.
Fools.

My most important issue now is the Islamic invasion of Western countries, if it wasn't for that I would have probably voted for Hillary. I'm an issue voter, not a party voter.
Again I agree, but with one exception , not,no never Hillary. I was once a Sanders supporter by issues, until he said he would flood our nation with more illegal/legal immigration, like Clinton would, & was more or less advocating open borders. The Sanctuary City support was my last "straw", so to speak, to pull my vote away from him.

What pisses me off about the GOP, is they say they want less government intrusion , but they constantly meddle in reproductive rights. They try to state the reason, is they are for religious groups right to choose their agendas, but that's just a front to pander for their votes. Don't know why Trump is playing into that BS, I know he no doubt , couldn't give a shit who gets BC & who gets an abortion ? Guess he thinks he can't win without the so called evangelicals? I think you hit that nail just right, & I am against any political/religious group that tries to impose their views on anyone here. That's in our Constitution. & that includes reproductive rights too.But in NO way am I stating the holy "rollier than thou" Christians, can be put in the same category as the Islamo-fascists, most sane people know the greater threat too.
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Why would you as a "tolerant lefty", in that "liberal" & tolerant state that all say we must model ourselves after, hurt him or kill him?
Me? Naw, having dealt with So. Cal Latinos I know if I get into it with one, then you going to have to take them all on and you will have to basically turn into Bruce Lee in the Chinese Connection in order to make it out.

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free speech has nothing to do with it.

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This kind , I guess as the states demographics have shifted to the more "tolerant" , are the only ones that can be heard.Funny no one killed them, yet the "tolerant lefties" are the only ones doing the violence. What?????
you still think they are "tolerant lefties" I assure they are not that.
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Me? Naw, having dealt with So. Cal Latinos I know if I get into it with one, then you going to have to take them all on and you will have to basically turn into Bruce Lee in the Chinese Connection in order to make it out.

free speech has nothing to do with it.

you still think they are "tolerant lefties" I assure they are not that.
IOW they are all thugs & want violent gang rule if you don't agree with them? Could that be why the Texians went to war with the Mexicans in "Tejas" , before it became Texas, after they were invited to settle there? I read about the intolerance then Mexico demanded, one condition for example, that they all had to turn Catholic ,when settling there, no wonder they revolted.I wonder if a man here that thinks Mexico should still control the US SW knows these little bits of history? That was long ago, admittedly , but do many still wish they could revise history, & believe CA,AZ, TX, NM, & NV should still part of that F'up nation? Thank God for the Texas revolt & the sacrifices of others we are not part of that primitive , violent nation.


So they are violent Marxists? Again to one & others who said, they are all good people, you just proved them all wrong & all of us right who are against this invasion, of violent illegal criminals.

Could we be seeing another CW in the future here, starting in CA, in the US? You just proved my points even more! Thank God Trump won & wants to keep the rest of these violent bums out of here & I hope he deports all these illegal assholes you refer to!& the ones who are citizens here & agree with them can go with them. Lets see how Mexico or Central A. nations will greet them & treat them. Again, this proves that when minorities become majorities , it will divide people, & not unite them. Thanx, your statement is all we need ,for who are against more massive immigration of those who cannot assimilate here.
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As a fellow European i disagree with the right=liberty part.

Economic liberty, yes.

But ethic liberty not so much, more like the opposite (with their gay marriage standpoints as an easy example)
I totally agree with you.
In fact I took the definition that Macron said to pupils during a TV report.
A definition that was more diplomatic for a candidate and for a forum.

In fact, right = liberty to the master to get slaves, liberty to destroy the ecosystem to make easy money, liberty to hide money in order to not paying taxes, etc...
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