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Old 07-17-2017, 07:56 PM   #191
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Immigrants that we cannot afford to pay for in the present, let alone the future.

There you have it, thank you savage. We can't afford to provide medical care to our own Veterans, people who have served our country.
While they die awaiting treatment we annually spend $113 billion on illegal immigration alone as of 2013, I'm certain this cost has not gone down since. This is spent on those who by definition don't care about our laws.
The budget for the VA is $186billion, add that $113 billion to it and we just might get a viable VA.

Meanwhile the homeless and mentally ill are in our streets because we can't afford care and housing for them either. I could go on and on.

Meanwhile we indulge in the lunacy of deficit spending, adding to the $20 trillion of our national debt. This is unsustainable and that 113bn would sure help that too.

We simply cannot afford illegal and/or mass immigration by those we will have to support.
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Among Hispanic immigrants,in the US, legal or illegal , this "dependency" rises to about 90% of those with these who have children are on public assistance. & the second & third generations fair only little better.
Being that today that government assistance programs have become a government subsidized wage suppression program thanks to Bill Clinton I don't see their use of the programs as a reflection on them or most of the other recipients for they are some of the hardest working people trapped in a rigged system.

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When most European immigrants came to the US, during to so called "Golden Age" of immigration, there was no massive welfare programs for them, & they came, survived & thrived. Many believe this nation should repeal the Hart-Cellar immigration act, & prevent those who come here to be a tax payers burden ,at least until they work here for a decade, if they work, to pay into the system they take from.
You mean the 5 years they have to wait now thanks to Bill Clinton is not long enough? And another thing if such a high percentage of them is getting assistance that probably means they have been here for some time and they are not just flooding across the border like some like to say and that is even accounting for those who have children.

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Again its the "tolerant left" that does not look at common sense & data that reveals these facts, & only wants to make guilt for those in the west, into somehow unjustly shaming them into thinking that they must overload their nations with immigrants from Islamic nations in Europe . Or both illegal immigrants & exclusively Muslim immigrants from the ME , coming into the US. Immigrants that we cannot afford to pay for in the present, let alone the future.
Well we cannot afford to round the undocumented up and detain them at taxpayer expense. We had enough of that during the drug war. They claim to be protecting the American worker but if my suspicions are correct they will some of the biggest victims.

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You never was in E. Europe to speak like that.
They get the worst European criminals there.
Their criminality is surely worse than in North Africa.

Drugs dealers often come from Serbia, Albania.
Prostitutes networks come from Bulgaria, Hungaria, Rumania.

The way you look at their culture is totally biaised.
They have the same problems as in all the countries in the world, maybe a little bit worse.
Wrong again, I DO have relatives still there my man.& I do speak with them! & I DO have friends here that are from Hungary, Serbia, Croatia, Bulgaria, Russia, & Romania. I find for the most part they are educated people who probably know much more about the current world, history & even your nation than you do! I know none here in the US who are criminals, & if they are, they should keep them out just as the huge amount of Muslims we let in here, or did during the Obama administration , & Hillary wanted a million more of!

Where do I meet most of these people? At church! Or I worked with many or served some through my services of employment.Most of those mentioned are Eastern Orthodox, & go & support their churches more than Americans! Yes, I even met a married couple that was from Croatia that "turned" to E. Orthodoxy, from RC, & do they tell me what they experienced in their towns from the migrants, that they say those migrants were 95% or better men of "fighting age", & they did , shall we say displayed that "attribute" , very aptly when in their regions! So yes you truly error, I do have FIRST hand info on what is going on in E. Europe.

The Bulgarian brothers I met here, tell me of the problems Muslims are causing in their nation, & they told me the only way they would go back , is if Erdogan because they fear that new "Sultan" , WILL instigate another Islamic uprising there. One very learned Bulgarian man even told me his family history & how his GGF fought in the Balkan war & he seen a big scar on his shoulder from a Turkish sword, as a result of his combat experience! He was old enough to listen to what that man said about the living hell of Islamic rule, when you were a Christian in a nation under Muslim law! Many of us heard those verbal history recitings also, passed down from generations! & the same can be said for the Bosnians of Christian origin. I spoke with many , Bosnians & a even a Russian volunteer who fought in that war & they said the facts were not as the US & the west reported them , because ALL sides there were doing the killing. As one I personally knew, said who fought there, when you are in a fire fight with hundreds of enemy combatants ,who want to kill you ,one has to kill them first to survive ,so what the hell do you do, after the battle? YOU BURRY THEIR BODIES! But when the west found those bodies they stated "genocide".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SxBEgyEPABo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nhBv_I1edx4

Funny you should mention I am "out of touch" pertaining to this matter,because I just a few days ago, met a woman with a heavy accent, who was German & only lived here for a few years. I candidly asked her about the migrant crisis there & she said , yes its as bad as they portray it. She said she strictly told her daughter , who is still in Germany, finishing her schooling near Hamburg, never to go out at night, especially alone. & she luckily strictly forbid her to go to Cologne on NYE. She lives with her maternal uncle & family currently until she finishes school, so that enforcement was heeded. We have an element that is hording into Europe that knows nothing of modern western culture, mores, etc. that very many are just not ready to assimilate she stated. So she does think Merkel, is at the very least is misguided on immigration,(or being told what to do in this matter). & she knows that Merkel & her kind will have very little contact with these masses, so reality to those elites , this impacts them negligibly, than what the common people experience due to this clash. So, as this German citizen stated, Frau Merkel may have good intentions or not, but surely doesn't see the actual impact of a this large scale culture clash, in her ivory towers. Just as Hillary, Bush, or Obama never will.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lq84ZTm3fAE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A9rEtEKn5jE

So yah, I do talk to a lot of people who are experienced on this issue, 1st hand. & yes I did work with a couple of young Muslims who stated they wanted to go to the US military, so they could learn to kill better, & go to Palestine to more efficiently kill Jews!


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Being that today that government assistance programs have become a government subsidized wage suppression program thanks to Bill Clinton I don't see their use of the programs as a reflection on them or most of the other recipients for they are some of the hardest working people trapped in a rigged system.


You mean the 5 years they have to wait now thanks to Bill Clinton is not long enough? And another thing if such a high percentage of them is getting assistance that probably means they have been here for some time and they are not just flooding across the border like some like to say and that is even accounting for those who have children.


Well we cannot afford to round the undocumented up and detain them at taxpayer expense. We had enough of that during the drug war. They claim to be protecting the American worker but if my suspicions are correct they will some of the biggest victims.

https://youtu.be/95s5bTKYl5I
https://youtu.be/qJ20tIYirKg
You don't have to "round up" any. Just you must realize that if you don't give them any aid, no free drivers licenses , no schooling for their children, not even if their kids are born here, etc. & enforce E verify to the letter, so illegals can't be hired, you can solve much of the problem by that. & not do what you said you do, are in fear of them so you agree with them, mostly out of fear of these mostly cretins. Tax their remittances to their nations, & pay for our peoples HC by that revenue, its in the mega billions.

We must get the USSC to interpret the 14th better & the declare that the baby dumping here is not a path for citizenship. Like so many other nations including Canada has done. You can get your "tolerant liberal" stats & I can get mine from centrist or right sources & we can go on to infinitum on this issue. The bottom line is you & I will never see eye to eye on this or many other issues. I prefer to fight this issue & have by marching in the streets, even in the presence of those violent cretins who opposed us.You, just as stated fear them, so you join them out of fear, I just don't see that as a solution to the problem, as I also did through the vote, oppose this invasion.

Do as you will out of fear or whatever, & so shall we, out of our convictions & this election proved there are still those left who want a civilized America, not one run by mob rule!

There are laws in sane states that made sanctuary cities illegal & that has helped too, to keep these freeloaders that threaten you out! & there is a push to deny illegals HC of any form & some states have had this on the burner to vote in this.IMHO that's next, especially when we cannot , as Mr. Bond stated give our own HC, even our vets are dying because of this! Ahh hmmm, you state that immigrants have to wait for welfare because of Clinton, your data is wrong!

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Not read all of the thread so please tell me if I am speaking out of turn. We have a similar problem in the UK, thankfully they are not in power but with the soppy tart in charge at the moment, I fear the time is fast approaching. Corbyn, in power, wants to borrow 500 billions to build 100,000 fewer homes each year than the housing requirement. A man that campaigned to remain in the EU but spent his whole political career railing against what was the EEC before morphing into the corrupt, cesspit caled the EU. Aligned himself to most of the terrorist organisations around the world, want to feed and educate the world and its mother before any consideration of, dare I say, the indiginous population living here today.
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Wrong again, I DO have relatives still there my man.& I do speak with them! & I DO have friends here that are from Hungary, Serbia, Croatia, Bulgaria, Russia, & Romania. I find for the most part they are educated people who probably know much more about the current world, history & even your nation than you do!
You live in your ultra-nationalist dream. You are totally blind. Facts are here:

Delinquency: The explosion of burglaries is linked to networks in Eastern Europe

http://www.lexpress.fr/actualite/societe/delinquance-l-explosion-des-cambriolages-est-liee-a-des-reseaux-de-l-est-de-l-europe_1316744.html


Homicides rate:

The worst countries: Russia, Georgia, Ukrainia, Moldavia, Bulgaria, Albania....

http://lodel.irevues.inist.fr/crimpr...&titlepos=down

Depending the countries, the rate is sometimes 6 to 10 times worse than in France or in UK.
Their mafias kill people in their own countries and send criminals all over W. Europe to steal people.

What a nice culture!!!!

I don't speak about prostitution or illegal sales of guns coming from E. Europe.

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"Trafficking in human beings from Eastern Europe continued to expand during the year under review."
Look at your E. European culture!

Bloody stupid hooligans disturbing people when they want to look at a football game.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l8J49nsrfis

There are tons of videos like that on youtube.

Just to show you that in E. Europe they also get their scums.

And I've got good educated E. European co-workers, like Arabs ones!

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You don't have to "round up" any. Just you must realize that if you don't give them any aid, no free drivers licenses , no schooling for their children, not even if their kids are born here, etc. & enforce E verify to the letter, so illegals can't be hired, you can solve much of the problem by that. & not do what you said you do, are in fear of them so you agree with them, mostly out of fear of these mostly cretins.
You could try to do all of that and they still would come. They are not coming for the "freebies" they are coming to work and overall survival. Thanks to the drug war over here Mexico has got a murder rate that is second only to Syria. That is not to mention the other Central American countries we have aided in installing governments to our liking and the upheaval that has caused. The biggest freebie America has to offer is survivial.

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Tax their remittances to their nations, & pay for our peoples HC by that revenue, its in the mega billions.
They work for their money just like you work for yours, probably more so cause immigrants tend to get exploited more than the native population so unless you are willing to pay more taxes why ask them to pay more?

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We must get the USSC to interpret the 14th better & the declare that the baby dumping here is not a path for citizenship.
If there wasn't case law concerning this issue preceeding the 14th Ammendment I would agree with you.

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Ahh hmmm, you state that immigrants have to wait for welfare because of Clinton, your data is wrong!
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A lesser known provision of PRWORA made immigrants entering the United States ineligible for federal welfare funds for five years after arriving in the United States. In light of the restrictions to federal funding under the law, states were allowed to grant aid out of their own funds to address the welfare needs of immigrants.
Funny you can bring up the 50+ year old Hart-Cellar Act at a drop of a hat yet know nothing about the almost 21 year old Personal Responsibility and Work Opportunity Act signed into law by Bill Clinton. Seems like your sources like to cherry pick data.
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You could try to do all of that and they still would come. They are not coming for the "freebies" they are coming to work and overall survival. Thanks to the drug war over here Mexico has got a murder rate that is second only to Syria. That is not to mention the other Central American countries we have aided in installing governments to our liking and the upheaval that has caused. The biggest freebie America has to offer is survivial.


They work for their money just like you work for yours, probably more so cause immigrants tend to get exploited more than the native population so unless you are willing to pay more taxes why ask them to pay more?

If there wasn't case law concerning this issue preceeding the 14th Ammendment I would agree with you.


Read this

Funny you can bring up the 50+ year old Hart-Cellar Act at a drop of a hat yet know nothing about the almost 21 year old Personal Responsibility and Work Opportunity Act signed into law by Bill Clinton. Seems like your sources like to cherry pick data.
OK! I or should I say some of us here & a whole load of people disagree with your ultra liberal conclusions here.& even more in this nation, that's why your candidate lost her bid for US prez, because she wanted illegal & legal immigration on steroids. The fact you ignore & its very well documented, is that well over 50% of current immigrants in this nation are on welfare, links were given to affirm this stat, its even more in those who have children & one source was by the liberal USA Today that affirmed this fact! & YES its true that 90% of Hispanic immigrants with families are on WELFARE! So yes many of them (how the hell would you know, unless you are one of them?) DO come for the freebees they wouldn't get in Mexico or C. America, that fact of this by the data makes this quite evident. & I don't give a damn what "Act" was passed because there are countless acts by Congress that are ignored, like border security! The proof is in the pudin', & some will just never accept the truth, especially the ultra tolerant libs, who are very useful ***** to the Plutocrats of the NWO, who want to tear down borders.


Again, you fear them, like you said you do,so go ahead & vote for those candidates that want & will usher in more of this nonsense, of turning a blind eye to illegal immigration , but just understand many of us support this president & we are the people who voted for one who want to STOP this insanity. From again, what the data states illegal immigration has been reduced significantly by this administration & you know what, US tax paying citizens haven't missed a beat. Just like when the illegal cocky bastards, pulled the stunt in 2006, the "Day without an Illegal". It showed all over the nation, that those illegal idiots did damage to their cause by pulling this stunt. Millions of US citizens across this nation saw red that day, because WE could not afford to just not take a day off from our jobs . But these arrogant assholes could,with impunity, because we subsidize their asses, & YES facts that you ignore DO show it! Like I wrote before, I never went back to any restaurant that closed its doors for that day!

I never needed an illegal to cut my grass, or cook for me ,watch my kids like rich (you?) bastards do, or any GD thing for me, & I think that's true of most Americans. Neither did my dad need one when we grew up. Hell he grew & or picked a shitload of our food staples, as did many people in the areas I grew up in. Maybe in CA people like you need them ,hell I don't know you from Adam & Eve, or in your case could that be Adam & Steve , but here in the grass roots, we have very little need from them, & here in TX we have passed laws, BY THE PEOPLE'S VOTE, to stop this invasion.

The lies by the "tolerant left" will never cease that we have a dire need for these people to come here. & you who bitch about stagnant wages here cannot see that this invasion for what it truthfully is, is adding to that stagnation of wages. The law of supply & demand can never be ignored, even in an excess of labor, which again you conveniently ignore the facts that we have 30+% of our own populace that cannot support themselves on the wages they make or are not or under employed. We could put many of our people back to work here, maybe not all the self proclaimed Einsteins here, but believe me there are a lot of Americans that would do things that most illegals do, if they got a living wage for that labor. Maybe not you, in CA? But in grass roots America hell yes! & this job stealing doesn't EVEN touch the problems of how illegal aliens are clogging up our E-Rooms, if you were at one, you'd have seen the numerous problems in that regards. From interpreters ,to going there to taking care of their simple needs like colds are addressed in the E-Rooms. Even WITH HC insurance I can't afford to go to the doctor for even a bad flu. But why should illegals care when they go to E-Rooms for anything & everything? Numerous medical personnel I know ,says none of them pay for those services, & most give the same address for billing , hundreds of them!! & yes some illegal can get operations costing tens of thousands of dollars & one male nurse told me he witness one get an operation for a half million dollars!I was told by quite a few medical field techs & staff , that in TX , IN , IL to just name a few states I know its happening in & witnessed it, that's why State/City/County supported hospitals are going belly up & turning private in those areas, but you will of course ignore that fact because you are afraid of them who are taking advantage of our medical system, the illegals, who are one BIG reason this is happening. & it probably doesn't affect you, so why should you give a shit. So go ahead & tell someone else who fears them too, don't tell me how much we need them or how you fear them!


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The real truth from the mouth of someone who knows, that the exposes the "tolerant left's" misguided love affair with political Islam, which MOST of it truly is. Data shows this very accurately.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pSPvnFDDQHk

Listen to the 2 liars in the beginning of this video. They are selling our safety to buy their votes.

& are these startling facts on the modest side? Its seems like the extreme far left wants all Western society to put itself in peril.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7h9ivHD7d7M

Got to love that "R" word that the extreme left loves to dish out & much if not most of the time, it does not even apply!

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diamelsx, I'm a little confused, so let me ask a few questions:

1) This 'day of absence', originally was the non-whites leaving the campus and talking about racism, yes?

2) I presume they talked to each other, yes?

3) Did they talk to white people and if so, why did they not talk to the white people on campus?

4) The non-whites chose, of their own accord, to go off campus, no-one made them leave, yes?

5) They did this for 40 years, yes?

6) This year, for some unknown reason, in order to discuss racism and race relations, the non-whites used threats etc. to force the whites to go off campus so that the non-whites could talk about racism and race relations, yes?

7) Can the non-whites see that doing this acutally harms race relations?

8) If the non-whites throughout the 40 years and this year did not speak to the whites, doesn't that mean they think the whites have nothing to contribute to the conversation, either because they are all considered racist or too ignorant to have any opinion worth listening to?

9) Isn't trying to force all people of one race to do a thing simply because of their race, racially discriminatory behaviour?

10) Would you not consider this racist if the whites tried to force the non-whites to leave?
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