Current Politics in the United Kingdom

[charliels531]

Originally Posted by Meini Again

Now she is going to "CONSULT" with cross-party lawmakers !

2 years and she never consulted,cross-party..... till 2 months before her stupid and arbitrary deadline arrives.... she's going to consult.... jeez.

Look on the bright side--She is now where she should have been two years ago. And she has ten whole weeks to work it out.

[hoss]

I found this analysis of the British political stance:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4v3etuIw-aM.

[vinceprince]

I wonder how the Brexiteers here feel about the ERGs 'masterplan' to avoid checks and massive congestion around Dover in the event of a no deal. It also is intended to prevent hikes in inflation due to tariffs.

The great idea is to unilaterally remove most WTO tariffs immediately for imports, so no checks are necessary.

Therefore foreign importers will have free access to UK markets with no bilateral agreement for them to the same and therefore have no motivation to negotiate bilateral trade deals.

This to me looks a far worse 'deal' than anything cooked up by May or anything suggested on the remain side.

[palo5]

Originally Posted by vinceprince

The great idea is to unilaterally remove most WTO tariffs immediately for imports, so no checks are necessary

The word is that this would make food cheaper, but would also kill off UK agriculture completely, and then you'd be 100% dependent on food imports

[Brecht]

Yeah, especially with Marmite being an integral part of your cuisine.

[judy84]

Remainers see EU is a big blue blob of virtue on the other side of the channel because the media would never scrutinise EU in the way it chases after every Westminster triviality. There is no meaningful scrutiny of it, which allows such infantile perceptions of it to evolve.

In a sense remainers are right that old school eurosceptics are dinosaurs. The EU they were worried about will never come to fruition. Our generation faces a new evil manifested in EU as the agent of a global system that would makes us stateless serfs to be managed like cattle
Either you believe that agendas should be brought to politics by the people themselves by way of voting for a manifesto, or you believe in rule by "experts" devising continental master blueprints, turning national governments into implementing agents and social insurance.

The EU is an ideal construct for MPs. All the time it exists, they require little or no understanding & competence in any areas, social or economic. The unaccountable remain unaccountable rendered by EU politicians who are unaccountable.
Politicians prioritise accountancy over principle when it comes to jobs in their backyard. When the dilemma is sovereignty and democracy versus accountancy, accountancy always wins out. And that is the nature of the EU.
It’s as though the creation of an unaccountable Federal Government in Brussels increasingly taking powers from the nations of Europe Is less significant than the risk of maybe having ten days of traffic jams in Kent and a reduced selection of sandwiches in Waitrose for a weekend.

[judy84]

Now the stupid woman is listening to other parties to try to resolve Brexit, i.e. talking to remain parties to try to get BRINO through or a losers' referendum. Why didn't she listen to her own Brexit Secretaries to try to get a Brexit deal, instead of civil servant Ollie Robbins who was colluding with the EU to try to get BRINO.

Initially May agreed to the Irish backstop thinking that a FTA with tech solutions would obviate this. Then the civil servants took over thinking that BRINO would be best.



Make no mistake though the backstop blows the GFA apart.


https://www.pressreader.com/


http://www.eureferendum.com/blogview.aspx?blogno=86931

Any tariffs that are introduced do not need to be wholesale, they need to be selective obviously to encourage UK agriculture, with govt subsidies as well.

Recently Eurotunnel and the ports of Dover and Calais have declared themselves ready for any kind of Brexit, even "No-Deal".

https://www.westmonster.com/eurotunn...o-deal-brexit/
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/brexit...hannel-tunnel/

[deepsepia]

Originally Posted by judy84

Make no mistake though the backstop blows the GFA apart.

I think its fair to say that a "Hard Brexit" does too . . .

There is no "Leave" position which doesn't erect a customs frontier somewhere - your choice either between the Republic and Northern Ireland or in the Irish Sea.

Neither is compatible with the Good Friday Agreement; one leaves the Republicans aggrieved, the other the Unionists.

FWIW the GFA was one of the hardest won, most skillful bits of modern British statecraft, a compromise solution that actually works, that people can live with. It was a very hard slog, decades of work

You could say "Look to the history of the Good Friday Agreement for a sense of just how hard such things are to do in the real world, and how long they take"

[vinceprince]

Originally Posted by palo5

The word is that this would make food cheaper, but would also kill off UK agriculture completely, and then you'd be 100% dependent on food imports

The ERG also say all the money we save from EU subs can be used to pay off our farmers, a sort of Universal Credit for farmers.

Though I thought all those extra billions were going to the NHS

[judy84]

The imposition of EU tariffs on our exports following our departure without a trade deal would make hardly any difference. The average EU tariff rate on manufactured goods is only 3-4 per cent. And, the fall in Sterling since the Referendum, significantly outweighs this.

If, following our departure without a trade deal with the EU, we were to decide to impose tariffs on imports from the EU possibly causing UK prices to go up, it would be open to the UK Treasury to take offsetting action to counteract the blip in inflation and maintain consumer real incomes. We could unilaterally decide to reduce tariffs on selected goods, eg, those where there is no UK production, such as oranges. Alternatively, the Treasury could announce a temporary cut in VAT funded by the new EU tariffs.

It is important to recognise it is not necessarily a given that prices would rise significantly in the short-term. We import large amounts from non-EU countries and these prices would not change, thereby putting competitive price pressures on EU producers exporting similar products to the UK. In the longer-term, elimination of EU protectionist barriers would create a downward pressure on UK prices.

The structure of EU tariffs has been designed largely against the interests of the UK. Indeed, it has been fashioned precisely to favour French agricultural interests and German manufacturers. But this protectionist regime is against UK interests. As we leave the EU we will be free to construct our own trade policy.
It should be easy to conclude a mutually beneficial FTA with the EU since we will begin with mutual zero tariffs and aligned regulations and standards.
https://capx.co/no-deal-is-a-necessa...e-for-britain/