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Old February 26th, 2014, 05:48 PM   #3391
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On the subject of foxhunting, our parliament spent 700(yes seven hundred) hours debating the ban.

How many hours were spent debating going to war in Iraq in 2003? 70(yes seventy), I think that says how warped Blairs priororities were. Mind you I know an ex MP and he said the three subjects that caused the most problems in Parliament were, hunting, abortion and capital punishment.
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That the human sense of sight is not continuous . the brain records images at 20 frames per second , much in the same manner as a film camera .
Are you sure? That's pretty low, PAL is 25, and NTSC is 30.
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Greenman - foxhunting as a method of pest control was actually very effective. A fit fox with it's head up will always outpace a hound with it's nose down. The hunt took the sick, lame and lazy foxes and kept the wild fox population healthy.

There is no pleasant way of killing pests but the hunt either kills or it doesn't. Nothing is wounded to crawl away and die in agony. Oh I should point out that I have never ridden to hounds but I did go to a couple of meets when that shyster Blair was using Hunting to keep the trots occupied to see what the fuss was.
Maybe so but I saw something a few years ago, released by the RSPCA and it clearly showed a fox being ripped to pieces by hounds and then skinned by hunters - hardly a humane way like shooting it quickly. I see it as a barbaric part of English life, and I was appalled that it was trivialised by the likes of Disney in 'Mary Poppins' and 'The Fox and the Hound' for instance. I agree pests should be controlled but look at the recent cock-up with the badgers cull. If you are going to cull, at least work out the numbers first and cost it effectively. I still HATE fox-hunting and people that indulge. I have seen a fox, it was in our garden one October day just sitting there. It is a beautiful creature, but I conceed that it is feral in inner cities and thus dangerous-you only have to see what happened to children two years ago when one got in a house and attacked.
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Are you sure? That's pretty low, PAL is 25, and NTSC is 30.
I think it's actually about 12 fps, that's what makes the frame rate of PAL or NTSC so effective in tricking the human brain
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Old February 27th, 2014, 08:43 AM   #3395
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Greenman - I believe that the RSPCA was originally set up by the hunting fraternity to stop animal cruelty but in recent times it has been politicised by a group of people who have their own agenda.

If the fox was torn to pieces by a pack of hounds how come there was something left to skin.

Foxes are beautiful creatures but please don't think they are some sort of Basil Brush type luvvie.
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Are you sure? That's pretty low, PAL is 25, and NTSC is 30.
It is according to a programme called ' Unseen universe ' I watched on the Eden TV channel . The brain fills in the gaps based on what the eyes are picking up , to make it seem continuous , so that much of what we think we are seeing is literally imagination .
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Well feck me!....I did not know that!
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It is according to a programme called ' Unseen universe ' I watched on the Eden TV channel . The brain fills in the gaps based on what the eyes are picking up , to make it seem continuous , so that much of what we think we are seeing is literally imagination .

You can only see a small percentage of what you are actually looking at , even where you are focusing
The brain is programmed to seek movement, most of what is in your peripheral vision is made of memory & is actually in just Black & White...

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The image on the retina is "upside down" but we see everything right-side up. If people wear prism glasses that flip the image, they eventually get used to it and things don't look quite so upside down. removing the glasses takes a shorter time to adjust, but still takes a time for the brain to re-adjust.


The retina is front-back inverted
The light detector cells are actually on the back side of the retina, facing away from the visual scene. Light must go through multiple layers of neural network and blood vessels to get to the photoreceptors. Fortunately, neurons are mostly transparent. But when the optometrist shines a light in your eye, you can see the red blood cells moving through the capillaries.


The retina does not detect red
Even scientists often say that the retina has red, green, and blue color receptors (same as an RGB television or LCD monitor). However the so-called "red" receptor actually detects yellow-green and the "green" receptor detects blue-green. The brain turns the differential signal between these two into the colour red later.


Photoreceptors are suppressed by light
The photoreceptors are deactivated by light, not activated by it. The presence of light shuts down their signal. So the retina has something of a photo-negative image internally.


Peripheral vision is low-res and nearly monochrome
Peripheral vision is extremely low-resolution and most of the colour receptors are only at the center. We don't notice this because as soon as you wonder about the blurry periphery, your eye moves to fill in the detail before you discover it was missing. This is what the world might look like to your retina:


The eye has a special night-vision mode
When your eye has to "adjust" to the dark, what is actually happening is that the retina is activating its night-vision mode. This requires chemically recalibrating the neural networks in the eye to turn on the "scotopic vision" circuits, which are normally off during the day and which take around 20 minutes to activate. The night vision receptors (the "rods") are blue-sensitive and don't work in colour, which is why everything at night looks "blue". And there are no night receptors at the high-resolution center of the retina, which is why it is difficult to read in the dark. The rods are very sensitive to light fluctuation, which is why you can see the stars twinkle at night, but only the ones you are not looking at (because there are no rods at the eye center). This graph shows the daytime high-res color receptors at the center of the retina (the "cones", green), the night-time receptors in the periphery (the "rods", blue), and the blind spot (white):

The resolution of the eye is only 1 megapixel
While there are 100 million photoreceptors in each eye, there are only 1 million nerve fibres to the brain. So the resolution of the eye is, loosely speaking, a mere 1 megapixel.
Here is what the pixel layout of the retina might look like (A: original, b: pixel geometry, D: high-res centre, low-res periphery):



The visual "image" is split down the middle and distorted, so that each side of the brain receives only half the scene (left or right). The mapping onto the brain is distorted so that more brain area goes to the high-resolution fovea. If you compared the image on the retina to what is sent to the brain, it would look like this (top: retina; bottom: visual cortex in the brain):

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Greenman - I believe that the RSPCA was originally set up by the hunting fraternity to stop animal cruelty but in recent times it has been politicised by a group of people who have their own agenda.

If the fox was torn to pieces by a pack of hounds how come there was something left to skin.

Foxes are beautiful creatures but please don't think they are some sort of Basil Brush type luvvie.
Oh come on, I know Basil Brush wasn't real for heavens sake! Presumably the fox almost dead anyway and so it was put out of it's misery and in any case surely a fox's pelt is valuable so it would make sense to skin it and then leave the rest(yeuch!) behind. In any case I agree they are beautiful creatures but they are feral, and revert to natural instincts, but I never really bought the fact that cartoons portrayed them as roguish and nicking the odd chicken whilst speaking in a New Yawk accent! Blame Mel Blanc for that.
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In any case I agree they are beautiful creatures but they are feral, and revert to natural instincts, but I never really bought the fact that cartoons portrayed them as roguish and nicking the odd chicken......

I have seen a chicken run after a fox has been in there, and it's not pretty. They are perhaps one of the few animals that will kill for fun. And it is amazing the lengths they will go to to get inside!
That said, I was totally against hunting them as they were hunted. Nature itself takes those that need culling. Here I have eagles, bears, wolves and lynx to help keep the population down.

The foxes that I have seen round here are, thankfully, usually beautiful and red, and great to see running around wild. One of the cheeky buggers even came in my living room one day.....scared the sh*t out of my cats!
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