Atheist, are you one?? - Page 4

**palo5** · April 12th, 2012, 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Estreeter

Not really, I like roulette........I place my chips on more than one number

Of course, otherwise you couldn't be hedging

But roulette is not the best game to play, imho. Blackjack seems to offer better possibilities, at least if you know when to stop

MaxJoker · April 12th, 2012, 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by vcestone

I thank god that I am an Atheist

Amen

windymiller · April 12th, 2012, 07:16 PM

Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing?
Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing?
Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing?
Then why call him God?

Epicurius

luvlthr · April 12th, 2012, 07:31 PM

I don't believe in or practice a religious belief myself. People have said to me that I was baptised a Catholic so how can I abandon my religion. My answer has always been that I was four days old when I was baptised so it's not as if I had a choice in the matter.

On the other hand, I have a relative who is devout to her faith but in fairness to her she never tries to push it on others. She has buried two sons - one from a heart defect and one from a car accident. He was badly injured and she had to give permission to switch off his life support. Very shortly afterwards her husband also died. To talk to her now you would not be aware of it.

Her view is that she does not like what happened but it was part of some plan she does not understand. She says that when she dies she will meet them again and it will all be made clear to her. I may not share her belief but if it can give her that sort of comfort, what gives me the right to say she is wrong?

**pharoahegypt** · April 12th, 2012, 08:16 PM

did you hear about the agnostic, dyslexic, insomniac.............??

......... he used to lie awake all night, wondering if their was a dog.......!!!???

**howerd** · April 12th, 2012, 09:14 PM

The way I see it is like this: Where ever you go on the planet at ANY time throughout human history everybody agrees what milk is like: a white liquid. But were ever you go on the planet at ANY time throughout human history people have had very very different ideas about a deity. Not only are there many many different religions there are many many different beliefs within everyone of them: Protestant / Catholic, Sunni / Shea, Orthodox / Progressive etc.

I would even say that there are as many different ideas about god as there are people alive because there is simply no way to know who or what a deity is about. For this reason I think it's because everyone is guessing in the absence of anything better than their imagination (commonly called 'faith'.) Whenever I meet someone who says they believe in God I always ask them to tell me something about their God which could not be an assumption. No one ever can.

'That which can be asserted without evidence can be refuted without evidence' -Christopher Hitchens

**howerd** · April 12th, 2012, 09:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Nobody1

ATHEISM - THE ANSWER THAT SAVES THE WORLD.

Well, sounds nice, but i think atheism is just another faith. The rebuttal is not possible here. On the other hand, atheists are not forced to take up the rebuttal. At least not according to Russell's teapot.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russell's_teapot

But believing means not knowing. Atheism and/or faith, i guess it doesn't matter. I for myself think there is a god. But he/she is, with some certainty not a Christian, Jew or Muslim.

There is just one answer that saves the world.

TOLERANCE

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Nobody1: you say 'Well, sounds nice, but i think atheism is just another faith.' do you think health is a type of illness or baldness is a type of hairstyle? Please watch this video which addresses exactly what you are proposing:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qs3RKZjSzYg

**scoundrel** · April 12th, 2012, 09:54 PM

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Originally Posted by howerd

Nobody1: you say 'Well, sounds nice, but i think atheism is just another faith.' do you think health is a type of illness or baldness is a type of hairstyle?

I don't know about Nobody1 but I would answer a great big yes to that one. Anyone who claims to know that there is no other plane of existence except this one, no God, no further reality after death or outside this life, is claiming to know something which can neither be proven nor disproven. As for health, as soom as we are born our only certainties are that we will eventually die and that in between we will pay taxes. It is also highly probable, but not absolutely certain, that we will have to shop at least once at IKEA.

**otokonomidori** · April 12th, 2012, 10:05 PM

My wife's got a cousin - clever guy , Cambridge graduate, nice person [but an utter wanker] - he went on holiday to the Scilly Isles and [ he told me this himself] had a "revelation" . First thing he did when he got back was he converted his fiancee, they both became Baptists and to this day they bother God something terrible - both his daughters [ attractive big tarts both of them] are as holy as he is.

So what is it about the Scilly Isles??

**howerd** · April 12th, 2012, 10:59 PM

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Originally Posted by fleetwood77

My wife's got a cousin - clever guy , Cambridge graduate, nice person [but an utter wanker] - he went on holiday to the Scilly Isles and [ he told me this himself] had a "revelation" . First thing he did when he got back was he converted his fiancee, they both became Baptists and to this day they bother God something terrible - both his daughters [ attractive big tarts both of them] are as holy as he is.

So what is it about the Scilly Isles??

They clearly turn you silly!

April 12th, 2012, 07:16 PM	#33
windymiller Senior Member Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 298 Thanks: 1,457 Thanked 2,842 Times in 294 Posts	Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God? Epicurius __________________ The flowers smell sweeter the closer you are to the grave - Paul Heaton

April 12th, 2012, 08:16 PM	#35
pharoahegypt Vintage Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Middle England Posts: 4,491 Thanks: 10,176 Thanked 43,617 Times in 4,154 Posts	did you hear about the agnostic, dyslexic, insomniac.............?? ......... he used to lie awake all night, wondering if their was a dog.......!!!??? __________________ Arguing with a intelligent person is hard; but arguing with a stupid person is impossible!

April 12th, 2012, 09:14 PM	#36
howerd Vintage Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: UK Posts: 1,731 Thanks: 2,663 Thanked 19,953 Times in 1,685 Posts	That which can be asserted without evidence can be refuted without evidence The way I see it is like this: Where ever you go on the planet at ANY time throughout human history everybody agrees what milk is like: a white liquid. But were ever you go on the planet at ANY time throughout human history people have had very very different ideas about a deity. Not only are there many many different religions there are many many different beliefs within everyone of them: Protestant / Catholic, Sunni / Shea, Orthodox / Progressive etc. I would even say that there are as many different ideas about god as there are people alive because there is simply no way to know who or what a deity is about. For this reason I think it's because everyone is guessing in the absence of anything better than their imagination (commonly called 'faith'.) Whenever I meet someone who says they believe in God I always ask them to tell me something about their God which could not be an assumption. No one ever can. 'That which can be asserted without evidence can be refuted without evidence' -Christopher Hitchens

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April 12th, 2012, 07:31 PM	#34
luvlthr Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 56 Thanks: 283 Thanked 598 Times in 44 Posts	I don't believe in or practice a religious belief myself. People have said to me that I was baptised a Catholic so how can I abandon my religion. My answer has always been that I was four days old when I was baptised so it's not as if I had a choice in the matter. On the other hand, I have a relative who is devout to her faith but in fairness to her she never tries to push it on others. She has buried two sons - one from a heart defect and one from a car accident. He was badly injured and she had to give permission to switch off his life support. Very shortly afterwards her husband also died. To talk to her now you would not be aware of it. Her view is that she does not like what happened but it was part of some plan she does not understand. She says that when she dies she will meet them again and it will all be made clear to her. I may not share her belief but if it can give her that sort of comfort, what gives me the right to say she is wrong?

April 12th, 2012, 10:05 PM	#39
otokonomidori 緑の男 Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Jockistan, UK. Posts: 8,316 Thanks: 39,016 Thanked 122,404 Times in 8,316 Posts	My wife's got a cousin - clever guy , Cambridge graduate, nice person [but an utter wanker] - he went on holiday to the Scilly Isles and [ he told me this himself] had a "revelation" . First thing he did when he got back was he converted his fiancee, they both became Baptists and to this day they bother God something terrible - both his daughters [ attractive big tarts both of them] are as holy as he is. So what is it about the Scilly Isles??