Militant Islamists

[CARLTON BROWN]

As a matter of interest, how do the moderators feel about satirical images of Mohammed/Islam being posted on VEF?

[tamsmith]

Originally Posted by Boatguy

I stopped reading the thread after the first page. Political correctness,

Some recommended reading

Waste of time reading your post then.

[hslc]

on the morning news here in the uk, some muppet in france stating retedly the crap about insulting there prophet, hell these creatures make me sick

[grazer]

Originally Posted by tamsmith

Freedom of Speech is not just about being able to open your trap and letting your belly rumble but listening to the other side of the discussion with an open mind

It isn't, actually. It's allowing any point of view to be uttered or broadcast/printed. Period.

If the resultant text is drivel - which I'm not saying yours is - Freedom of Speech contains nothing about my having to consume it. No-one has to listen to the guy on the soap box in Hyde Park - one can just walk by; yet his right to Free Speech is upheld.

As for your text: As I implied, it's all about inappropriate generalisation. I could see that your post contained many more lines like the Gaza line. So you're trying to pound home your generalisations implying all Muslims are like a few Muslims, probably all Islam being equivalent to radical "Islam". And I happen to know from personal experience - visiting quite a few "Islamic" countries in line of my work - that they probably aren't & it isn't.

P.S.: Slightly misquoting Voltaire... I'm very much for your being able to post your text, though I fundamentally disagree with some of the content.

[judy84]

Blasphemy laws, holocaust denial, anti-semitism, inciting racial hatred.
I don't think publications ridiculing a particular religion helps tolerance.

[spicoli]

Originally Posted by winebeavis

Let me first say I have no problem with Muslims.

I do have a problem with people who committed the cowardly and heinous acts in Paris. It's the acts, not the religion, that disgusts me. I don't care why anybody did it, if they even believe their own rhetoric or not. That fact remains that some people committed a horrible crime and for that I hope justice is served.

I'm with you on this Wine. I have no problem with those who follow Islam. Call me naive, but I don't believe that any major religion advocates violence as a way of life.

The problem is with those who use any religious or other banners (ex: the Swastika) as a basis to pursue crimes against humanity. As a society we must pursue those people with a vengeance. History provides many lessons about not standing up to terrorism. We have been fighting terrorism since day 1 and because of the dark side of human nature, we always will be fighting terrorism.

[ConstantOgler]

Originally Posted by CARLTON BROWN

As a matter of interest, how do the moderators feel about satirical images of Mohammed/Islam being posted on VEF?

Just pointing out, the mods are well known for their unquestioned courage, fortitude, and, umm, masculine endowments.
VEF as an organ, not so much.

[scoundrel]

Originally Posted by grazer

It isn't, actually. It's allowing any point of view to be uttered or broadcast/printed. Period.

[snip]

P.S.: Slightly misquoting Voltaire... I'm very much for your being able to post your text, though I fundamentally disagree with some of the content.

But when does freedom of speech become license to incite hatred (religious, racial or whatever) and to forment violence? For example, holocaust denial is a criminal offence in Germany and Austria and rightly so. Posting on social media to incite rioting and looting is illegal in the UK, as some individuals discovered in the aftermath of the Mark Duggan riots in Britain in 2012. Was it freedom of speech when Corporal Bradley Manning recirculated confidential emails of the US government in which Secretary of State Hillary Clinton expressed unflattering assessments of political figures in other countries; or was it treason against the United States of America?

It's not an easy one to call. Your freedom of speech cannot simply be freedom to say anything the authorities and courts like. But when some scumbag can publicly demand the death of people of whose religious views he doesn't approve, or because they poured scorn on his treasured religious beliefs, and this is being passed off as freedom of speech; then its time to boot arse.

[shagger]

In actual fact the Charlie hebdo thing was designed to provocate, and thats what it did, so what did they expect?

So in a move to show defiance (or fecking stupidity) they chose to print another cartoon!!!! Who knows what's gonna happen next, each time they provoke a reaction and its never a good one.

Moreover a while back they were going to print an image of sarkozys son as a hebrew in some micktake about fraud allegations, yet that was blocked by the courts so I'm afraid it really is in their case je suis *hypocrite*.

Additionally the imperial nature of frances past really shows tangible racism, theres something like 30 odd derogatory words for black people but close to a hundred for arabs, I think its ingrained in their culture.

Freedom of speech is one thing but as a practising RC i get annoyed when people make fun of religious figures because they don't have a religion themselves, that doesn't make it OK, and you cant blame people reacting against it.

I think anyone that causes an offensive provacative event should be jailed regardless of their beliefs.

[SanteeFats]

Originally Posted by shagger

In actual fact the Charlie hebdo thing was designed to provocate, and thats what it did, so what did they expect?

So in a move to show defiance (or fecking stupidity) they chose to print another cartoon!!!! Who knows what's gonna happen next, each time they provoke a reaction and its never a good one.

Moreover a while back they were going to print an image of sarkozys son as a hebrew in some micktake about fraud allegations, yet that was blocked by the courts so I'm afraid it really is in their case je suis *hypocrite*.

Freedom of speech is one thing but as a practising RC i get annoyed when people make fun of religious figures because they don't have a religion themselves, that doesn't make it OK, and you cant blame people reacting against it.

I think anyone that causes an offensive provacative event should be jailed regardless of their beliefs.

First for this poor old American what is an RC? Secondly, IMO, even if Hebdo was trying for a reaction, it is legal in France and should not have been punished with murder most foul. If the Muslim's don't like it why kill? Why not take them to court as Sarkozy did? My guess? No Sharia law so they can't get any pain and suffering from the other party? Personally I think it is just because Muslim's in general and not just radicals are taught to see any culture outside of theirs as inferior and not worthy of respect. Hell even among themselves (Sunni and Shiite) they murder in the name of Allah. How do you know the writers and cartoonists had no religion? Did all 12 of them admit in writing or in public that they were atheists? Just because you make fun of something does not mean you have the right to slaughter them. Even if you feel that way what about the ancillary people that were killed? The cops and the four Jewish men? They had nothing to do with the magazine.
So I take it you are for PC censor ship of any thing that might upset any body? Glad you are not running things.