Lynda Carter ~ Colleen Camp Picture Debate

[DTravel]

Originally Posted by CTRFLD_Admirer

As for Colleen Camp's assertion of a topless LC photo, I doubt that PB magazine, which published the article, would have printed that if they knew it was not true.

It was an interview. They published what she said, magazines don't fact check an interview subject's opinions. I've seen and read plenty of interviews where the subject says something that is factually wrong.

[headmaster]

As an addendum to my last post, here's what I think happened:

Three actresses were hired to play Playmates in Apocalypse Now: Colleen Camp, Linda Carpenter and Cynthia Wood. All three appear in an initial scene where they are flown in to 'entertain the troops'. Later on in the film TWO of these actresses return for further, extended, scenes - Cynthia Wood, and one of the other playmates who recreates her centerfold pose for one of the soldiers. Originally this was to have been Linda Carpenter, and she had photos taken for the mock Playboy centerfold to appear as a prop in this scene. After the Typhoon struck and filming was delayed, Linda Carpenter couldn't continue with the role because she had to return to the US to appear in Wonder Woman, and so the other playmate, Colleen Camp, was given the additional scenes and posed for a similar centerfold picture.

Then, in an interview with Playboy, Colleen Camp says that originally, Linda Carpenter was to play her role but had to return to film Wonder Woman. A proofreader assumes that a typo has been made and changes Carpenter to Carter (leaving Linda spelled with an i) and suddenly Lynda Carter is connected to Apocolypse Now.

Someone gets hold of the Linda Carpenter centerfold photo and airbrushes Lynda Carter's head onto it in the hope of selling it to make a fast buck (using the Playboy article to back up the authenticity of their photo). Compositing a photograph of a head and a body wouldn't be that difficult, even in the 1970s.

Thoughts?

[Mad_Hatter]

It was an interview. They published what she said, magazines don't fact check an interview subject's opinions. I've seen and read plenty of interviews where the subject says something that is factually wrong.

And the Fake Dick says it was an unidentified "someone else" who claims they did the picture, but nobody knows who. Nor has any other Colleen Camp photo surfaced that Lynda's pose could be based on.

That requires a tremendous leap of faith, IMHO, to rest one's case on some unidentified artist. Even that was secondhand information. No lawyer in the world would go to court with that.

You say you've seen plenty of interviews where the subject says something that is factually wrong. I'd ask you for some examples, but you came up short on links for examples of "reliable sources" that said it was a fake, so I won't bother. Plus you're assuming that this interview with Camp was wrong. There's no reason to assume that just because somebody somewhere got something wrong in an interview at some time. Sure, it may happen, but it's just an assumption that that happened here in Colleen's case.

Sorry, I'm sticking with Colleen's story. It's first-hand, and the source is identified.

Someone gets hold of the Linda Carpenter centerfold photo and airbrushes Lynda Carter's head on in the hope of selling it to make a fast buck (using the Playboy article to back up the authenticity of their photo).

Interesting thought, but no such picture of Linda Carpenter has ever shown up. Nor a photo of Colleen Camp posed in the same position as Lynda, which is central to Fake Dick's far-fetched theory. But what we do have is:

1. Colleen Camp saying such a photo was taken in an article done on the movie.

2. A photo of Lynda, same basic pose to correspond with the script, and enough differences to show that it is not a fake of any known Colleen Camp photo.

I still think it is Lynda Carter, and that those whom subscribe to Fake Dick's faulty reasoning are doing us Lynda Carter fans a great disservice, all in the name of Fake Dick's ego.

As was said earlier- if it walks like a duck...

[headmaster]

But what about the fact that Linda Carpenter shot an episode of Wonder Woman right after her scenes in Apocolypse Now finished shooting? What about the fact that the Playboy article refers to Linda Carter.

It's all too much of a coincidence for my liking.

I've yet to see any proof that Lynda Carter had anything to do with Apocalypse Now, other than this brief mention in a Playboy article (which I believe is a misprint) and two other small time (probably self published) publications which were probably just repeating the same misinformation.

Since the whole argument that the photo is genuine rests on Lynda having been involved in the film I think we'd better find some concrete evidence...

[Mad_Hatter]

I've yet to see any proof that Lynda Carter had anything to do with Apocalypse Now, other than this brief mention in a Playboy article (which I believe is a misprint) and two other small time (probably self published) publications which were probably just repeating the same misinformation.

Fair enough, some quotes and links to prove she was connected with AN (I'm getting tired of spelling out "Apocalypse Now"):

WONDERLAND: The Ultimate Wonder Woman Site:

Meanwhile, between the "Wonder Woman" pilot and the shooting of the first two "specials", Lynda went on to film her first feature film called "Bobbie Jo and the Outlaw", and released by American International Pictures. Co-starring Marjoe Gortner, it was just another free version of "Bonnie and Clyde" with a lot of B-movie ingredients. In this film Lynda made some semi-nude scenes which obviously didn't pleased the ABC executives considering the image they wanted for Wonder Woman. On April 12, 1976 Lynda Carter and Marjoe Gortner are one of the guests on the premiere episode of "Break The Bank". After that, Lynda went to the Philippines where she would have a small part in Francis Ford Coppola's "Apocalypse Now" as a member of a female USO dance show. It was a disaster. Coppolla had a heart attack while filming, there was trouble with the military equipment on loan from the Philippine armed forces, and the weather was terrible. Lynda spent two weeks in Olongapo, stranded with her group in the mud and the rain due to typhoon “Olga,” while the rest of the crew was unable to contact them. After the typhoon, they were "rescued" and she was able to finish her scenes though they never were used in the final version. Different versions are told why this happened, one being that when Coppola recovered, he looked at what had been shot and decided to scrap everything and start over. But when Lynda got in contact with her agent there was better news; she was told that ABC had ordered another 11 episodes for the "Wonder Woman" series and had to return immediately to the States.

http://www.wonderland-site.com/html/...ios/bios1b.htm

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- A typhoon destroyed sets, causing a delay of several months. - Filmed in the Philippines, where Ferdinand Marcos agreed to supply the helicopters and pilots. Marcos's government also needed them for fighting
the rebels, and sometimes withdrew them during filming, sending different pilots not familiar with the filming.
- A second sequence featuring the Playmates was filmed but cut. The patrol boat crew encounter the Playmates' helicopter which had run out of fuel. They swap some gasoline in exchange for a chance to sleep with the three girls. 'Lynda Carter' (qv) was originally cast as one of the girls, but was replaced by 'Colleen Camp' (qv) due to the unforseen production delays.

http://stason.org/TULARC/movies/triv...-Now-1979.html

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IMDB! This is all the proof we need that she was in AN, found under Lynda's bio:

She was in the film Apocalypse Now (1979) but her scenes were cut by the director, Francis Ford Coppola.

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0004812/bio

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Scenes cut from Francis Ford Coppola epic Apocalypse Now (1979)

http://www.celebritywonder.com/html/lyndacarter.html

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-She was in the film Apocalypse Now (1979) but her scenes were cut by the director, Francis Ford Coppola.

http://www.shaunsayre.com/70s/fads/lyndaC.htm

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Lynda Carter was originally cast in the role of one of the visiting Playboy bunnies but the filming of her scenes was interrupted by the famous storm that wrecked the theatre set, prompting nearly two month's delay for rebuilding. By the time Coppola was ready to shoot again, Carter's contractual obligations to Wonder Woman forced her back to the states, and her scenes were re-shot with Colleen Camp. The only evidence remaining of Carter's involvement are the Playboy centrefolds that were specially shot by the magazine as movie props.

As the only nude work ascribed to the actress outside of Bobby Jo And The Outlaw (1976), the authenticity of the very airbrushed Carter spread has been put into question over the years. However the sequence of events suggest that her version of the pose was shot well before Camp's, and that Camp's version aped the original so closely for continuity reasons, in order to be able to use some of the pre-storm footage.

http://www.denofgeek.com/movies/1963...ke_to_see.html

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Oh well...

[maildude]

If it is genuine, why has Pl@boy NEVER published it?

Excellent point. When Suzanne Somers posed before her fame, she nixed the Playmate thing when Three's Company started. When she got famous, PB rushed the old photos to print, pissing her off enormously. Same thing with Uma Thurman's naked beach pics when PB published those.

[headmaster]

Originally Posted by CTRFLD_Admirer

Fair enough, some quotes and links to prove she was connected with AN (I'm getting tired of spelling out "Apocalypse Now"):...

Thanks for posting these. However not one of them is in any way a credible source. All but two are written by members of the public like you and I, sitting at home on their computers repeating bits of information they've heard elsewhere, i.e. the Playboy article. This includes the IMDB quote which appears in the trivia section, a part of IMDB that is created and edited by users, not editorial. Just because something is written on the internet does not make it true. I'll prove it - "Lynda Carter appeared fully nude in every episode of Wonder Woman and frequently oiled up her boobs for the pleasure of the audience".

It seems the only credible source for Lynda Carter's involvement in AN, is the Playboy interview with Colleen Camp, and that doesn't even say that Lynda Carter was in AN. It says that Linda Carter was in it, which is as close to Linder Carpenter as it is to Lynda Carter.

Has Lynda Carter ever referred to her involvement in AN? Is it mentioned on the DVD? Is it mentioned in any of the books published about the making of AN which go into great detail about the minutia of the production? No.

The only places it is mentioned are in one sentence in a Playboy article, a self published fanzine, and a number of posts by members of the public on the internet.

I really am convinced that Lynda Carter was never contracted to work on AN and the whole rumor was created because an actress called Linder Carpenter was going to be in an episode of Wonder Woman. Playboy made a misprint with the name, other people repeated this bit of false information and it became 'the truth'.

[Mad_Hatter]

We can play this game all day. "I don't think those are credible sources". I was half expecting it. Well, I've provided more links and sources than anyone saying it's fake have. So of course they have to say those sources aren't credible. Oh well... such is forum life.

I really am convinced that Lynda Carter was never contracted to work on AN and the whole rumor was created because an actress called Linder Carpenter was going to be in an episode of Wonder Woman. Playboy made a misprint with the name, other people repeated this bit of false information and it became 'the truth'.

I think your assumption that "Lynda Carter" was really "Linda Carpenter" is a stretch, with nothing to prove it, either. Just a lot of surmises, with no real proof at all. Not even an IMDB link. I appreciate your input, but I don't think your theory is credible.

If it is genuine, why has Pl@boy NEVER published it?

I'd say because Lynda never gave them permission to do so. It was taken as part of a movie, not for PB itself. Remember all the hoop-la when PB published a photo of Jessica Alba on its cover? Colleen was giving an interview, so of course she gave permission to post it, and other photos of herself.

Ok, I've laid out what I think, and so have members of the loyal opposition. I don't for a minute think:

1. That it's fake.

2. That Lynda Carter was never involved in AN.

3. That Colleen Camp's account is anything but straight forward.

The only conclusive proof would be for Lynda to go on Larry King and say, "Yes, I did it" or "No, that's not me". That's not happening. Although she lives here in Maryland, as I do. Maybe if I drove to her place and asked her?

Now it's up to our fellow forumites to decide for themselves.

Have a great day.

[headmaster]

Originally Posted by CTRFLD_Admirer

I don't for a minute think that Colleen Camp's account is anything but straight forward.

Originally Posted by CTRFLD_Admirer

I think your assumption that "Lynda Carter" was really "Linda Carpenter" is a stretch...

Actually Colleen Camp's account isn't straight forward. Her Playboy article refers to a LINDA Carter not Lynda Carter. It seems far more plausible to me that this is a reference to LINDA Carpenter who was actually in the film in question playing a Playmate.

Originally Posted by CTRFLD_Admirer

...with nothing to prove it, either. Just a lot of surmises, with no real proof at all. Not even an IMDB link.

I did give an IMDB link. Here it is again if you missed it:

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0139404/

You will see that Linda Carpenter has four credits to her name including Apocalypse Now and Wonder Woman.

Here's another link:
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0750230/

It shows that the Wonder Woman episode she was in aired in Oct 1976. So it would have been shot at the exact time the additional Playmate scenes with Colleen Camp and Cynthia Wood were being filmed.

Is it a stretch then to think that Colleen Camp was referring to Linda Carpenter? Clearly not. Not as much of a stretch as it is to believe that she was referring to Lynda Carter.

[BustyWomenLovr]

Originally Posted by CTRFLD_Admirer

The only conclusive proof would be for Lynda to go on Larry King and say, "Yes, I did it" or "No, that's not me". That's not happening. Although she lives here in Maryland, as I do. Maybe if I drove to her place and asked her?
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Yeah - I need to start shopping a different grocery store - the one she uses so I can run into her while fondling the melons and ask... A friend of mine claims to see her all the time at the various store in that crossroads...