The Star Wars Episode 8 Thread - Page 2

Lord Of The Sith · February 5th, 2017, 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by footstep

I saw the 3 originals the year they were created.Great. technology 1 imagination 10.
I saw episode one ,2 and 3 also, but very disappointed. technology 10 imagination 0.
Ep 7 tried to come back to ep4 spirit. Not bad.
Ep8 ?
Sorry for Han. Will he come back? And of course Carrie...
The question is : what will bring the most wanted Luke?...

Before George Lucas decided on a political point of view he made fantastic films. American Graffiti is still one of my favorites, and even though he was only a second unit director, the scenes he filmed fro the Godfather were masterful. I think all of Hollywood is spending too much time on technology and far to few hours on the actual craft. In the old days the 70's and 80's and I am sure earlier a lot of porn stars ended up in porn simply because they could not act, now if you can look at a ping pong ball and pretend it is a monster you are in. Episode 7 was aberrant. They took parts from legacy and slapped them together as a way to "reintroduce" the next generation. The weapon a beefed up deathstar made from a planet nice job broken empire. Han Solo will NOT be back Harrison Ford had it written into his contract that Solo must die or he would not do it. He has always disliked the character and this was the chance to get rid of him forever. Mind you Mr. Ford does love his fans and did a great job for his final installment but Han IS dead. I honestly have little hope for the franchise. Star Wars Episode IV was the first movie I ever saw in a theatre and I will always have those memories. I would like to see a film based on the Mandalorian Armor Series but it is not likely anytime soon Disney is still working on the pink stormtroopers who throw fairy dust; until they get them in the film there will be nothing impressive. The new film's name is the Last Jedi. Rumor has it another principle character is going to die and Carrie Fisher was still well and had finished her shoots can anyone guess who is likely to go next for the next generation of Star Wars fans?

**AmateurEmale** · February 6th, 2017, 09:55 PM

@LordOfTheSith: If you are really Darth Vader under that costume, are you going to greet me with "We would be honored if you would join us..." and introduce me to Darth Sidious while you're at it? Your regime might try to draft me into Stormtrooper gear if I don't repent of my Rebel Alliance sympathies...

) Just kidding, of course, I think you're cool because you use a Star Wars / science fiction nerd alias. It's meaner and darker than mine...

I agree with you that the Starkiller Base / DS3 storyline made Episode 7 too derivative. They should use capital ships like either the Empire's Super Star Destroyer or Viscount on the Rebel / Resistance / New Republic side to blow up planets in the future. Actually, the EU stories claim that Palpatine's SSD, the Eclipse, was lost after the Battle of Endor. If the First Order had their hands on it, they would have the biggest SSD ever that has a large turbo laser, rivaling even the Death Star and Starkiller Base for sheer power.

I wouldn't want Kylo Ren, the "emo" successor to Anakin / Vader, cruising around the Star Wars Galaxy with that ship. But the First Order are like the Nazis, and they'd be merciless or genocidal with the Eclipse SSD in their possession. They blew up the entire Hosnian Prime solar system in Episode 7! Clearly they will stop at nothing to conquer the galaxy.

But if Luke Skywalker is now the last Jedi, he will have to take at least one Padawan / Jedi Apprentice for the order to survive his death, and I believe that both Finn and Rey are Force-sensitive enough to use lightsabers. Perhaps Rey will give him the lightsaber she found, then he will teach Finn and Rey both how to construct their own with kyber crystals, plus whatever science-fiction parts they use in lightsabers.

**AmateurEmale** · February 6th, 2017, 10:00 PM

I should also add that I am intrigued by the Knights Of Ren: They are not necessarily Sith, but they are Dark Side characters. I am a little confused by the EU stories about whether they are Dark Jedi, or just Force-sensitives with tendencies toward the Dark Side. But in the end, I believe that Yoda was right; if someone knowingly wants to be Dark Side, "forever dominate your destiny it will."

We also didn't learn how Ben Solo became Kylo Ren in Episode 7, so they will have to do it in Episode 8. Clearly, the death of Harrison Ford aka. Han Solo is a severe blow to the Light Side of the Force, and if Han in the movie said he believed that the Force is "all real", then how did Ben / Kylo learn its ways and become Dark Side, other than he was supposedly trained by Luke Skywalker before a falling-out and/or the death of Luke's other students? And how did he choose the rare, upside-down-cross lightsaber?

**HugoHackenbush** · February 7th, 2017, 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by AmateurEmale

And how did he choose the rare, upside-down-cross lightsaber?

Perhaps to prevent his hand from being cut off in a light saber duel? Seems to have happened quite a few times.

**AmateurEmale** · February 8th, 2017, 02:01 AM

@Everyone: Thank you to everyone who has responded so far to this thread. I honestly did not think that people would like it, given that Star Wars is one of those nerdy topics that younger Xers and Millennials have no problem with, but some older folks...???

Seriously, there is now a rumor on YouTube and elsewhere that the CEO of Disney has seen the complete Episode 8 from start to finish; take this with a grain of salt, because he has claimed that "It will be revised" before the final cut hits theaters in December 2017.

Also on YouTube, there is this Star Wars fan named Mike Zeroh who knows of another rumor: There is a now-deleted portion of Rogue One in which Anakin Skywalker's face is visible for less than a minute in the bacta tank; his right side is visible with pale skin, burn marks, and angry red eyes like a Sith. [Mike Zeroh claims that this deleted portion will be on the Rogue One DVD?]

**AmateurEmale** · February 10th, 2017, 02:43 AM

I want to add to this discussion a little more, so I'm going to delve into one subject that seems to be getting popular at YouTube among the reputable uploaders of Star Wars videos: Will Han Solo or Anakin Skywalker return as Force ghosts?

To begin with, this is a touchy subject ever since Lucas replaced Sebastian Shaw (1980s actor) with Hayden Christensen (2000s actor) as the Force ghost of Anakin / Vader. But people think that Han Solo had to be Force-sensitive to dodge blaster fire as much as he did on the first Death Star, and in Episode 7 he claimed the Force was "all real"... So if he is now willing to believe in the Force, wouldn't he return to interact with living Force-sensitives? And if Anakin is now Hayden Christensen, he could return to mentor people, or possibly to sway his grandson Ben Solo / Kylo Ren back to the Light side of the Force?

Finally, there is another Force power called "time drift" that allows the Force-sensitive individual to move backward in time, though the Star Wars sources stop short of saying that time travel is possible in the Star Wars universe. One person I know claims that the "time drift" might allow Ben Solo / Kylo Ren to move backward in time to when Anakin was alive, before he became Darth Vader, and possibly to see what led Anakin to the Dark Side of the Force. This is just a rumor that is on the Internet right now.

**snowy25** · February 10th, 2017, 04:13 AM

The good thing with science fiction, even when it involves such a popular franchise as Star Wars is that there are no barriers to imagination. There is very little even in Star Wars that is set in stone and so anything is possible. Using your example of another force power for instance. Just because certain force powers have not been highlighted up to date in the movies doesn't mean they don't exist. Those of us who have an interest in the expanded universe or even a basic understanding know there is much we have yet to see on screen. So there are a world of possibilities as to what we may see in the future.

cyrax · February 11th, 2017, 12:55 AM

The sad part of the new trilogy is the lack of vision and creativity. What I will not fault ep.1 to 3 is the stunning visuals and lightsabre battles. Rey and rens fight was a snorefest.

And the liberal shit needs to end. Mary sue is boring. Let's hope it improves with ep8

**AmateurEmale** · February 11th, 2017, 02:32 AM

@cyrax: I think people will abandon the franchise if Disney cops out and does either a DS4 or belabors the original Death Star in any more stand-alone movies. The weirdest thing I've ever heard about the original Death Star is that, 18 years into its construction (and before the Battle of Yavin), the Expanded Universe had a storyline where the Rebel Alliance sent a modified Confederate carrier loaded with 500 X-Wing star fighters against the DS1 when it was incomplete and had a barely-operational turbo laser. In this battle, 250+ X-Wings were shot down by over 1,120 TIE Fighters in-system, and it could have been even worse because some capital ships were in-system too. They only delayed DS1 by inflicting minor damage (if any!), and the DS1's turbo laser destroyed the carrier ship.

Sorry to ramble on, but I've been watching these movies since the late '70s when I was born, and it's probably impossible for Xers and Millennials to un-program themselves at this point when it comes to liking a science fiction franchise less geeky than Star Trek.

**AmateurEmale** · February 11th, 2017, 02:39 AM

@Everyone: There are people who think that Star Wars involves what are basically fantasy stories, but in a science-fiction setting. Sir Alec Guinness, who played Obi-Wan Kenobi in Episode 4, used words to the effect that the franchise is just "fairy tale nonsense" but with a moral conflict between good and evil.

So what he's saying, is that Star Wars is just Dungeons & Dragons in space!

)

February 6th, 2017, 09:55 PM	#12
AmateurEmale Vintage Member Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: The 513 Posts: 1,825 Thanks: 16,644 Thanked 15,794 Times in 1,755 Posts	@LordOfTheSith: If you are really Darth Vader under that costume, are you going to greet me with "We would be honored if you would join us..." and introduce me to Darth Sidious while you're at it? Your regime might try to draft me into Stormtrooper gear if I don't repent of my Rebel Alliance sympathies... ) Just kidding, of course, I think you're cool because you use a Star Wars / science fiction nerd alias. It's meaner and darker than mine... I agree with you that the Starkiller Base / DS3 storyline made Episode 7 too derivative. They should use capital ships like either the Empire's Super Star Destroyer or Viscount on the Rebel / Resistance / New Republic side to blow up planets in the future. Actually, the EU stories claim that Palpatine's SSD, the Eclipse, was lost after the Battle of Endor. If the First Order had their hands on it, they would have the biggest SSD ever that has a large turbo laser, rivaling even the Death Star and Starkiller Base for sheer power. I wouldn't want Kylo Ren, the "emo" successor to Anakin / Vader, cruising around the Star Wars Galaxy with that ship. But the First Order are like the Nazis, and they'd be merciless or genocidal with the Eclipse SSD in their possession. They blew up the entire Hosnian Prime solar system in Episode 7! Clearly they will stop at nothing to conquer the galaxy. But if Luke Skywalker is now the last Jedi, he will have to take at least one Padawan / Jedi Apprentice for the order to survive his death, and I believe that both Finn and Rey are Force-sensitive enough to use lightsabers. Perhaps Rey will give him the lightsaber she found, then he will teach Finn and Rey both how to construct their own with kyber crystals, plus whatever science-fiction parts they use in lightsabers. Last edited by AmateurEmale; February 6th, 2017 at 09:56 PM.. Reason: typo

February 8th, 2017, 02:01 AM	#15
AmateurEmale Vintage Member Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: The 513 Posts: 1,825 Thanks: 16,644 Thanked 15,794 Times in 1,755 Posts	Thanks, for being nerdy with me? :)) @Everyone: Thank you to everyone who has responded so far to this thread. I honestly did not think that people would like it, given that Star Wars is one of those nerdy topics that younger Xers and Millennials have no problem with, but some older folks...??? Seriously, there is now a rumor on YouTube and elsewhere that the CEO of Disney has seen the complete Episode 8 from start to finish; take this with a grain of salt, because he has claimed that "It will be revised" before the final cut hits theaters in December 2017. Also on YouTube, there is this Star Wars fan named Mike Zeroh who knows of another rumor: There is a now-deleted portion of Rogue One in which Anakin Skywalker's face is visible for less than a minute in the bacta tank; his right side is visible with pale skin, burn marks, and angry red eyes like a Sith. [Mike Zeroh claims that this deleted portion will be on the Rogue One DVD?]

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February 6th, 2017, 10:00 PM	#13
AmateurEmale Vintage Member Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: The 513 Posts: 1,825 Thanks: 16,644 Thanked 15,794 Times in 1,755 Posts	I should also add that I am intrigued by the Knights Of Ren: They are not necessarily Sith, but they are Dark Side characters. I am a little confused by the EU stories about whether they are Dark Jedi, or just Force-sensitives with tendencies toward the Dark Side. But in the end, I believe that Yoda was right; if someone knowingly wants to be Dark Side, "forever dominate your destiny it will." We also didn't learn how Ben Solo became Kylo Ren in Episode 7, so they will have to do it in Episode 8. Clearly, the death of Harrison Ford aka. Han Solo is a severe blow to the Light Side of the Force, and if Han in the movie said he believed that the Force is "all real", then how did Ben / Kylo learn its ways and become Dark Side, other than he was supposedly trained by Luke Skywalker before a falling-out and/or the death of Luke's other students? And how did he choose the rare, upside-down-cross lightsaber?

February 10th, 2017, 02:43 AM	#16
AmateurEmale Vintage Member Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: The 513 Posts: 1,825 Thanks: 16,644 Thanked 15,794 Times in 1,755 Posts	I want to add to this discussion a little more, so I'm going to delve into one subject that seems to be getting popular at YouTube among the reputable uploaders of Star Wars videos: Will Han Solo or Anakin Skywalker return as Force ghosts? To begin with, this is a touchy subject ever since Lucas replaced Sebastian Shaw (1980s actor) with Hayden Christensen (2000s actor) as the Force ghost of Anakin / Vader. But people think that Han Solo had to be Force-sensitive to dodge blaster fire as much as he did on the first Death Star, and in Episode 7 he claimed the Force was "all real"... So if he is now willing to believe in the Force, wouldn't he return to interact with living Force-sensitives? And if Anakin is now Hayden Christensen, he could return to mentor people, or possibly to sway his grandson Ben Solo / Kylo Ren back to the Light side of the Force? Finally, there is another Force power called "time drift" that allows the Force-sensitive individual to move backward in time, though the Star Wars sources stop short of saying that time travel is possible in the Star Wars universe. One person I know claims that the "time drift" might allow Ben Solo / Kylo Ren to move backward in time to when Anakin was alive, before he became Darth Vader, and possibly to see what led Anakin to the Dark Side of the Force. This is just a rumor that is on the Internet right now.

February 10th, 2017, 04:13 AM	#17
snowy25 Vintage Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 2,274 Thanks: 6,664 Thanked 23,142 Times in 2,260 Posts	The good thing with science fiction, even when it involves such a popular franchise as Star Wars is that there are no barriers to imagination. There is very little even in Star Wars that is set in stone and so anything is possible. Using your example of another force power for instance. Just because certain force powers have not been highlighted up to date in the movies doesn't mean they don't exist. Those of us who have an interest in the expanded universe or even a basic understanding know there is much we have yet to see on screen. So there are a world of possibilities as to what we may see in the future.

February 11th, 2017, 12:55 AM	#18
cyrax Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 358 Thanks: 50 Thanked 1,479 Times in 345 Posts	The sad part of the new trilogy is the lack of vision and creativity. What I will not fault ep.1 to 3 is the stunning visuals and lightsabre battles. Rey and rens fight was a snorefest. And the liberal shit needs to end. Mary sue is boring. Let's hope it improves with ep8

February 11th, 2017, 02:32 AM	#19
AmateurEmale Vintage Member Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: The 513 Posts: 1,825 Thanks: 16,644 Thanked 15,794 Times in 1,755 Posts	@cyrax: I think people will abandon the franchise if Disney cops out and does either a DS4 or belabors the original Death Star in any more stand-alone movies. The weirdest thing I've ever heard about the original Death Star is that, 18 years into its construction (and before the Battle of Yavin), the Expanded Universe had a storyline where the Rebel Alliance sent a modified Confederate carrier loaded with 500 X-Wing star fighters against the DS1 when it was incomplete and had a barely-operational turbo laser. In this battle, 250+ X-Wings were shot down by over 1,120 TIE Fighters in-system, and it could have been even worse because some capital ships were in-system too. They only delayed DS1 by inflicting minor damage (if any!), and the DS1's turbo laser destroyed the carrier ship. Sorry to ramble on, but I've been watching these movies since the late '70s when I was born, and it's probably impossible for Xers and Millennials to un-program themselves at this point when it comes to liking a science fiction franchise less geeky than Star Trek.

February 11th, 2017, 02:39 AM	#20
AmateurEmale Vintage Member Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: The 513 Posts: 1,825 Thanks: 16,644 Thanked 15,794 Times in 1,755 Posts	@Everyone: There are people who think that Star Wars involves what are basically fantasy stories, but in a science-fiction setting. Sir Alec Guinness, who played Obi-Wan Kenobi in Episode 4, used words to the effect that the franchise is just "fairy tale nonsense" but with a moral conflict between good and evil. So what he's saying, is that Star Wars is just Dungeons & Dragons in space! )