Blind Support for Police

[SanteeFats]

Originally Posted by Lord Of The Sith

My interest in this whole issue is within a few days of the Ferguson shooting a black police officer in Salt Lake City shot a white assailant and no one has called for his resignation, or his head for that matter.

Sith- That is interesting but what are there parallels between the two shootings? Was the white guy obviously armed while supposedly the Ferguson one had no weapon on his body? I mean if the circumstances are not comparable it is not a valid point IMO. You can not compare apples to oranges as they say so it, again IMO, needs to be pretty similar in both scenarios to be a valid comparison. Just asking not arguing.

[SanteeFats]

Originally Posted by Rogerbh

Just watch a few of those COPS shows - see people repeatedly lie to them. Would you really want their job for twenty plus years?

Roger those stupid cop shows are edited and only the most bizarre ones even make air. Not only that but they have had to change what they show because they got so many complaints about the number of minorities that were being shown. Just an FYI.

[SanteeFats]

Originally Posted by ajitpd

purely based on observation where majority of white people have sometimes vehemently supported the police when the servers-and-protectors have clearly dropped the ball and escalated the situation where they ended up killing someone who could be saved and helped. Many have equated a kitchen-knife wielding person at a distance of 20 feet with a sharpshooter with a loaded gun (obviously without knowing the complete facts). What makes me cringe is that the principle of innocent-until-proven-guilty doesn't seem to apply to the victims of government issued bullets. And even when there is enough evidence to support, lackluster investigations lets the cops walk free.
However, you posters here are obviously more knowledgeable and experienced than me, and I greatly appreciate their input. .

Were most of those who defended older whites? Equating a knife wielder with a sniper may be a little much but 20 feet is nothing if the person is on something, which can not be determined without labs in most cases. There have been people shot while drugged up who have continued and attacked the cop. I remember when PCP came out and the user would just keep coming until, at times, they had to be shot to rags. Not only that but a knife can be thrown and while the cops do wear jackets there is still a lot of flesh exposed including the neck and lower body where the femoral artery is relatively exposed. You get cut there and you will bleed out soonest.
As to innocent until proven guilty you can not even think about that until the suspect(s) are safely detained. When you are in what you perceive as the proverbial life and death scenario you are really hyped up and must make snap decisions. Unfortunately they are sometimes wrong.
Now there is the problem of CYA during investigations, there is the tendency to cover your fellow, in this case, cop. It is a shame but it does happen.
Just an FYI I am not nor ever been associated with police in any way except when I have gotten stopped, arrested, jailed, whatever

[Rogerbh]

Here are two interesting opposite view segments of Ferguson -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iGTUcS-yQtQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eUi2A6tUYQk
Both have their points.

I would only say that they convince me that I would not want a job with the police.

[Lord Of The Sith]

Originally Posted by SanteeFats

Sith- That is interesting but what are there parallels between the two shootings? Was the white guy obviously armed while supposedly the Ferguson one had no weapon on his body? I mean if the circumstances are not comparable it is not a valid point IMO. You can not compare apples to oranges as they say so it, again IMO, needs to be pretty similar in both scenarios to be a valid comparison. Just asking not arguing.

According to all reports he was unarmed. His friends state he had a criminal history but was going straight. He also had a $25,000.00 bench warrant, those are not given out to model citizens. The man's name was Dillon Taylor and most news reports are very biased one way or the other. This an excerpt from one of the news stories. Police said officers were responding to a report of a man “waving a gun around.” When officers arrived, they found three men leaving the convenience store, with one, later identified as Taylor, reportedly matching the description of the person reported in a 9-1-1 call. Witnesses say Taylor was wearing headphones at the time and may have been trying to pull his pants up when he was gunned down. This is identical to Ferguson just with races reversed.

[Lord Of The Sith]

Originally Posted by SanteeFats

Were most of those who defended older whites? Equating a knife wielder with a sniper may be a little much but 20 feet is nothing if the person is on something, which can not be determined without labs in most cases. There have been people shot while drugged up who have continued and attacked the cop. I remember when PCP came out and the user would just keep coming until, at times, they had to be shot to rags. Not only that but a knife can be thrown and while the cops do wear jackets there is still a lot of flesh exposed including the neck and lower body where the femoral artery is relatively exposed. You get cut there and you will bleed out soonest.
As to innocent until proven guilty you can not even think about that until the suspect(s) are safely detained. When you are in what you perceive as the proverbial life and death scenario you are really hyped up and must make snap decisions. Unfortunately they are sometimes wrong.
Now there is the problem of CYA during investigations, there is the tendency to cover your fellow, in this case, cop. It is a shame but it does happen.
Just an FYI I am not nor ever been associated with police in any way except when I have gotten stopped, arrested, jailed, whatever

A human being of average health can cover 40 feet is less than 6 seconds. A demonstration made to me by a colleague was he took two nurses put them out at 40 feet gave each of them a square of paper folded in 4. He said to stop him all they had to do was remove the paper from their pocket and unfold it. Failure resulted in white boarder marker on their scrubs as if cut. A third party yelled go and both women had marker on them before they had the paper out of their scrub's front pocket. He did not run at them he brisk walked and is 58 years old, hardly an Olympian.

[DTravel]

Originally Posted by Lord Of The Sith

A human being of average health can cover 40 feet is less than 6 seconds. A demonstration made to me by a colleague was he took two nurses put them out at 40 feet gave each of them a square of paper folded in 4. He said to stop him all they had to do was remove the paper from their pocket and unfold it. Failure resulted in white boarder marker on their scrubs as if cut. A third party yelled go and both women had marker on them before they had the paper out of their scrub's front pocket. He did not run at them he brisk walked and is 58 years old, hardly an Olympian.

This was yet another thing that the Mythbusters tested and their results were similar. One of the interesting things that they noted was that even though they knew the person charging them and knew he really wasn't going to hurt them just the fact that he was charging them rattled them and slowed down the one trying to draw a gun.

[ConstantOgler]

Living in/near New York City, over the years you see the whole gamut of situations. If you are honest and objective, no prejudice or preconception you might have -- either way -- can survive.

A big problem is that district attorneys are police colleagues in law enforcement. What does it mean a Grand Jury does not indict? They usually do as the DA wants. Injustice has resulted. But there has been progress.

OTOH,

Originally Posted by SanteeFats

When you are in what you perceive as the proverbial life and death scenario you are really hyped up and must make snap decisions.

Not long ago an officer in the town next to mine was killed with his own gun by an "unarmed" man. He thought he was intervening, on the street, in a man/woman dispute. Did he know he was going into a life or death struggle? What would the reaction be if he pulled his gun before getting close? "If your hit her again, I'll shoot you." Or just fired before there was any contact?

[DTravel]

The two most dangerous calls or incidents for police are: 1) a traffic stop; and 2) a domestic disturbance call.

[pnnbaa]

Something has gone terribly wrong when law abiding citizens fear the police. Protect and serve? I don't feel protected or served, I feel bullied and intimidated. It's like they have an adversarial relationship with the public.

Why is it they don't give each other speeding tickets? We shouldn't tolerate that. And what is this omerta they operate under? At my job if someone does something wrong I have no choice but to cooperate with the owners and nobody is going to fault me for doing so. We shouldn't tolerate this "professional courtesy" they give each other.