Conspiracies

[asdd]

subliminal (?) message in Disney 's "Little Mermaid"

[TCO95]

Do you think Manchurian Candidates are possible?
Have governments been using them or are they another tall tale?

Most behavioral scientists do not believe you can condition a person to do what they would normally find morally objectionable. However, many concede that a person can be conditioned to be a scape goat for the real perpetrator. A combination of persecution complex and a susceptibility to hypnotism would yield a prime candidate. This is precisely what some researchers feel happened to Lee Harvey Oswald and Sirhan Sirhan. To this day Sirhan claims he has no memory of shooting Robert Kennedy. Further, he and his lawyer claim he had no animosity towards him and would have likely been a supporter.

People who claim to have been at the scene that day say they saw a woman approach Sirhan from behind and touch him and whisper something in his ear. That was when he assumed a shooting position. However, they also claim he was in front of Bobby and the fatal shots were fired from behind. These witnesses also claim the mystery woman headed for an exit and immediately after the first shot she began shouting either "They shot Bobby" or "He shot Bobby". Conspiracy theorists claim the real shooter was a security guard positioned behind Bobby. He was never investigated because it was Sirhan who security personnel saw in the shooter pose so he was the one detained. Finally, one man claims he has seen the fatal bullet and it was from a different caliber gun than the one Sirhan had in his possession.

Why would anyone want to shoot Bobby Kennedy? He had stated that he would re-open the investigation into his brothers death as he felt there were some questions which needed to be answered. So did the same people who got JFK also get his brother using the same technique?

Youtube has a plethora of Manchurian Candidate videos, these are a few of them : https://www.youtube.com/results?sear...ian+candidates

[redstone44]

Originally Posted by TCO95

Do you think Manchurian Candidates are possible?




People who claim to have been at the scene that day say they saw a woman approach Sirhan from behind and touch him and whisper something in his ear. [/url]

the woman ? is this the polka dot dressed woman who supposed to be the trigger (the dress i mean)

i was in the army for a long time and well i am a sort of manchurian candidate too because they(army/government) send me all over the world , without me asking questions. i just obeyed like a robot..."yes sergeant bleeep krggk sweek bliep"

okay , serious : drugs nowadays are very potent and with the right doses , you can be so far out that you do anything without thinking straight.

MK-ultra did exist back then so who knows if there where follow-ups of this program

[squigg58]

Originally Posted by TCO95

Do you think Manchurian Candidates are possible?
Have governments been using them or are they another tall tale?

Most behavioral scientists do not believe you can condition a person to do what they would normally find morally objectionable. However, many concede that a person can be conditioned to be a scape goat for the real perpetrator. A combination of persecution complex and a susceptibility to hypnotism would yield a prime candidate. This is precisely what some researchers feel happened to Lee Harvey Oswald and Sirhan Sirhan. To this day Sirhan claims he has no memory of shooting Robert Kennedy. Further, he and his lawyer claim he had no animosity towards him and would have likely been a supporter.

It's been a long time since I watched The Manchurian Candidate (the Frank Sinatra version) and I haven't read the book, but I think the actual "Manchurian Candidate" was the guy they wanted elected, not the brainwashed assassin. As such, I sometimes get a bit confused when the term is used to describe people who've been brainwashed ... but then again, I get confused quite a lot these days!

The first point I'd make is that I would be completely and utterly gobsmacked if experiments had not been conducted on "mind control"! We don't fully understand how the mind works, so all sorts of research is bound to be done, and I'd be equally gobsmacked if the military hadn't, at the very least, take an interest.

There are perfectly rational medical and scientific reasons for doing research into "mind control" or, in the broader sense, for research into "behavioural control"; for example, to understand why people will do things which a "normal" person wouldn't do; such as murdering innocent people in cold blood. It's also true to say that just about every human invention or scientific discovery has been looked at in terms of its military potential!

However, that doesn't mean there are CIA "robot killers" wandering around just waiting for instructions to kill people! It actually wouldn't make a lot of sense to programme someone to do what they would normally find morally objectionable when, let's face it, there are plenty of people around who don't have the same moral objections!

Put it this way; if you wanted someone to work in an abattoir; wouldn't it make more sense to simply employ someone who didn't have an issue with the job, rather than programming a vegetarian to shoot bolts into cows' heads? As such, why would anyone "programme" a supposedly reluctant Oswald or Sirhan Sirhan, when it would make more sense to get someone who was somewhat less reluctant, and get a third party to assist them, thereby ensuring full deniability?

I would hazard a guess that there are millions of examples of people apparently acting out of character. I would even suggest that it's happened to quite a few of us! It's certainly happened to me! Someone pushed me a bit too far and I "lost the plot". It scared me because, looking back on it, I had no idea what I was doing at the time. (Nobody got hurt, by the way!)

One of the problems I have with many conspiracy theories is that claims are made about a direct link between "A" and "B" because someone says it could be theoretically possible. HAARP is an absolute classic. The government is doing research into the ionosphere. Someone claims that shooting high frequency signals at the ionosphere could possibly have an environmental effect. There's an earthquake in the Pacific region. It must be HAARP! I'd suggest there are more rational explanations for earthquakes!

Oswald or Sirhan Sirhan (apparently ) assassinated senior politicians. Research is being done into behavioural control. Aha! They must have been brainwashed! (I'm not saying you're claiming that TCO95!)

Prominent individuals have been assassinated for as long as there have been prominent individuals! It doesn't require some sort of complex mind control programme ... or was Marcus Junius Brutus brainwashed?

[palo5]

There is a conspiracy theory that Saddam was not insane when he invaded Kuwait in 1990. The theory is that the Iraqis had assurances from USA that there would be no military response if he invaded, and that Saddam believed them because he thought he was still "their bast*rd"

Is that possible?

[DTravel]

Originally Posted by palo5

There is a conspiracy theory that Saddam was not insane when he invaded Kuwait in 1990. The theory is that the Iraqis had assurances from USA that there would be no military response if he invaded, and that Saddam believed them because he thought he was still "their bast*rd"

Is that possible?

I've heard a very similar rumor but it was some time ago so I've forgotten the details. Apparently it is based on assuming that Saddam misunderstood some US Government statement.

[rupertramjet]

Originally Posted by DTravel

I've heard a very similar rumor but it was some time ago so I've forgotten the details. Apparently it is based on assuming that Saddam misunderstood some US Government statement.

There was indeed a rumour, but the facts are that, Kuwait is an Emirate, and part of the group of Arab controlled oil states that produce the majority of oil for the west. Therefore any of these states that was attacked, would, or could, lead to problems in the West. So they would be protected at any cost. To be seen to desert them would cause problems with other Arab states, who might, and probably would, reduce oil production and availability, so the thought that anyone would allow him to attack Kuwait, was a no brainer. If he believed it, then he was a fool.

As for his believing he was the Americans B**tard at that point, nope, he had already done massive deals with the Russians and knew he was out of favour in the West.

[palo5]

Originally Posted by rupertramjet

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As for his believing he was the Americans B**tard at that point, nope, he had already done massive deals with the Russians and knew he was out of favour in the West.

He'd done massive deals with USSR for many years, rupert. Where do you think all his military equipment came from? Did you not notice it was all Soviet?

But the USA loved him because he was fighting a war against Iran, and USA supported him

Check out these pics. The hi-res one may be fake, but there are infamously genuine ones. He was "their bastard" alright. Until they decided to un-bastard him

[rupertramjet]

Originally Posted by palo5

He'd done massive deals with USSR for many years, rupert. Where do you think all his military equipment came from? Did you not notice it was all Soviet?

But the USA loved him because he was fighting a war against Iran, and USA supported him

Check out these pics. The hi-res one may be fake, but there are infamously genuine ones. He was "their bastard" alright. Until they decided to un-bastard him

At the end of the Iraq Iran war, He started to deal exclusively with the Russians, he discovered that Russian direct sell weapons where cheaper than US 'Military Aid'. That was the point that they put him on the naughty step. About 1988/9. Three years later he was at War with the West.

Interestingly, while the UN was trying to end the war, the final Resolution 598, a UN Brokered cease fire ended the conflict. The US was supplying him, he was not very successful as all captured Iraqi territory was back in Iraqi hands and they where far the more offensive side in the war.

At the time of the conflict, the U.N. Security Council issued statements that "chemical weapons had been used in the war." However, due to various outside pressures, the statements never clarified that only Iraq was using chemical weapons, and retrospective authors have claimed, "The international community remained silent as Iraq used weapons of mass destruction against Iranian[s] as well as Iraqi Kurds."

[palo5]

Originally Posted by rupertramjet

At the end of the Iraq Iran war, He started to deal exclusively with the Russians...

He'd dealed with USSR for years. The US hated him because he nationalized the oilfields, but then loved him when he fought Iran, and then they hated him again

So you see, the US is not a stable friend - one day they're on your side, and the next...?

There are many more examples