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Old 05-19-2017, 08:20 PM   #3871
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Strange that the videos don't show who started the fight. Everyone these days seems to be recording such events.
So you think it is usual ????

I'm giving you a help: at the start of the video there was no fight. Than a Turkish Secret Serviceman opened the car and seemed to ask anything. Than he turned around an the fight and the fight with the other serviceman started.

What .... do you think he might have asked for ???
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Old 05-19-2017, 08:56 PM   #3872
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The videos I saw showed a protestor with a megaphone being attacked. The other side said he started the fight by taking the megaphone from a pro Erdogan supporter. This is the guy who got kicked in the face by a number of people - I am assuming he was one of the hospitalized people. There are a number of videos of separate actions, some fat guys pushing each other, the woman getting a sleeper hold, the view from Erdogan that doesn't show who is fighting and the guy with the white megaphone being kicked. They all seemed to be trying to scream face to face and waving their arms so no surprise fights broke out.
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What do Americans think of spaghetti westerns? It must have caused a bit of consternation back in the 60s when a load of Italians working in Spain started messing with such a typically American piece of popular culture.
Actually, my recollections of the spaghetti westerns are good and they tended to do well in America. The westerns of the 40s & 50s (John Wayne, Glenn Ford, Gary Cooper) while good were, basically, similar with the good guys wearing the white hats.

Then comes the likes of Sergio Leone.. giving us the man with no name. More gritty, realistic, edgy.. and full of surprises. Flawed heroes. High Plains Drifter is a later example... the "good guys" weren't that good.. the bad guys had been unjustly railroaded... the victims weren't all that innocent. Certainly mixed up the standard formula, much to the delight of audiences.

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So you think it is usual ????
Nothing surprises me any more. Police here have, on numerous instances, stood back and watched rioting/looting/fighting/assaults/property damage go unchecked. I point you to any of the 'black lives matter' riots of the past few years (especially Baltimore) as well as the anarchy that was present outside certain political rallies here before the last election... some of which was actually encouraged by local government leaders.
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The peak of an insolence:

Turkey has summon the US ambassador, because of "Turkish secret service man had beaten US-Demonstrators". I think that's the peek of an insolence.
Supposedly it was an aggression of the PKK.

This man (the Turkish president) seems to be completely wacky (I'm sorry for this comment), insane wouldn't describe it.
One can see, what kind of "Democracy" the Turks have turned to.

http://edition.cnn.com/2017/05/22/po...awl/index.html
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One can see, what kind of "Democracy" the Turks have turned to.
Not to mention the fact that most Turks in Germany, Austria, the Netherlands and other EU countries are absolutely mad about Erdogan and view him as their leader. I'm not so sure the integration thing is working well.
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