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Old July 15th, 2018, 11:49 AM   #621
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I heard the Israel tanks (and other land based vehicles) has automated defense system that will stop anti-tank weapons like an RPG or an air to ground rocket like a Hellfire.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trophy_(countermeasure)

The U.S. has something similar but it's still in the testing phases.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quick_Kill
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Old July 16th, 2018, 12:03 AM   #622
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I heard the Israel tanks (and other land based vehicles) has automated defense system that will stop anti-tank weapons like an RPG or an air to ground rocket like a Hellfire.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trophy_(countermeasure)

The U.S. has something similar but it's still in the testing phases.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quick_Kill
Yes-it remains to be seen whether the cost and utility of such systems will see widespread adoption. The Israelis miscalculated big time in the 2006 Lebanon war-and lost significant numbers of their Merkava MBTs to Hisbollah missile teams-armed with a range of varying equipments that proved surprisingly effective. Some of this was stupidity on the behalf of the Israelis-I know South Lebanon well-having served there on peacekeeping ops-and it is NOT tank country-being hilly, wooded in places and very constrained for routes-so putting tanks into situations akin to shooting ducks in a barrel was not clever-or simply hubris....
The Merkava was too much of a status symbol for Israel to accept being handled in such a cavalier fashion-and so they put a lot of effort into an active defence system. That being said-whilst it seems very effective against ground based missiles-it is useless against any form of high velocity round-which these days means invariably AFDSFS......and I have severe doubts whether it could cope with something like a Maverick.

Once you start fitting these type of system to light vehicles though-at a stated cost of ~$300,000 per unit-you run up against the cost-benefit wall-plus all the imponderables about how much your soldiers's lives are worth...

It makes sense to fit a $300,000 unit to a $5-$8 million tank-does it make sense to fit one to a $150,000 APC-and triple the cost of the vehicle?....

The reality is-you'll end up with a lot less but safer-vehicles-so somewhere along the line you'll lose flexibility, capability...and mass-it's a vicious circle when it comes to budgets....
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Old July 16th, 2018, 05:54 AM   #623
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Someone needs to come up with deflector shields.
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Old July 16th, 2018, 09:56 AM   #624
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Someone needs to come up with deflector shields.
And phasers.....
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Someone needs to come up with deflector shields.
Well considering that "Charged armour" is currently in development, you're not too wide of the mark...
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Well considering that "Charged armour" is currently in development, you're not too wide of the mark...
It will need to be pretty impressive to deflect a stabloy, tungsten or DU long rod penetrator travelling at 5000fps.....
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The Tank museum - Top Five Tanks - Bruce Crompton :


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D7LUzCfqcvk
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The Tank museum - Top Five Tanks - Bruce Crompton :


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D7LUzCfqcvk
One little mistake on this video - Hetzer is not a tank, it's light tank destroyer...
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The Tank Museum - Tank chats #54 - IS3/JS3 :


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The Tank Museum - tank chats #55 - Churchill Crocodile :


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