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July 15th, 2018, 05:29 AM | #1801 | |
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Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez shocked a lot of people by defeating heavyweight Democrat Joe Crowley in a recent congressional primary. Here's a clip where she discusses getting out the vote with Stephen Colbert. https://youtu.be/Y_1G4_oPt_o There are a raft of young people out there working on new platforms and involved in grass roots politics. They don't feel represented by the geriatric obstructionists who have been in power. They also don't feel like the government is working for them and are not willing to continue getting screwed. Unknowns are winning races. Change may well happen much more quickly than the pundits believe. "Socialism" is not a bad word for those who have no memory of Communism. They see the socialist democracies of Scandinavia and want some of that rather than what we've got now. I know this because I have four nieces and a nephew under 30 and see their Facebook exchanges with their friends. Both Obama and Trump were elected by voters unhappy with the status quo. Do you really think that they feel better now? Is the little guy going to be better off 2 years from now? |
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July 15th, 2018, 02:02 PM | #1802 | |
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July 15th, 2018, 04:36 PM | #1803 | |
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I was watching a Daily Show interview the other day...(I can't remember who the guest was..) but it boiled down to...two comedians talking about how comedians build and develop a routine...you see what works and use it in the next show...this is EXACTLY how Rump campaigned. And he's still campaigning today...instead of doing his job. He developed a routine that played well with his suggestible, gullible base....basically hashtags that are easy to parrot: Build the Wall# ...Drain the Swamp# ....and thanks to a rigged election with Russia tipping the scales ....he got sworn in...and now....He's a performer...that's in charge of policy...AND Nukes.... fortunately for regular comedians no one expects them to keep the promises they make in their "routines".... |
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July 15th, 2018, 06:29 PM | #1804 | |
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The in 2016 was different: just why should someone have been angry at the status quo after 8 years of competent administration? True the Middle East wasn't fixed -- but US commitments there were greatly reduced. The economy was growing, employment was up, stock market well above its financial crisis lows. Hard to see why "let's burn this all down" made sense in 2016-- particularly for Trump's more affluent voters. There's a common narrative that Trump was elected by poorer working class white voters; he did get an overwhelming vote from whites without a college education, but his voters were on average, wealthier than voters voting for HRC. . |
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July 15th, 2018, 07:37 PM | #1805 | |
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hillary's performance among the white working class was more about them not trusting Hillary than them loving Trump. I said before they still remembered the effects of NAFTA and did not trust she was against the TPP and would eventually pass the legislation. It was funny Democratic party turned their backs on about half their voters and still expected to win, and when they didn't they want to try to blame everybody including those voters when it was their idea to ignore those voters in the first place.
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July 15th, 2018, 08:50 PM | #1806 | |
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While Obama was plenty competent and worked his butt off,but he doesn't write the laws. He was in large part stymied by a republican Congress that insisted upon having 50+ votes on repealing Obamacare(Romneycare writ large).So, competent predictable leadership led to Wall street kicking a bit of ass. Unfortunately, Main street by and large is where the Middle class lives... and Main Street has been chipped away at since 1980. So, on paper, Obama did pretty well. Wall street is one metric that he can point to, and is one measure of the strength of the American economy. But, as a working class stiff, I see my generation failing badly. Mine is the first generation in quite awhile that didn't have it better than their parents. While the economy has jobs, many of them are not jobs you could retire on. Corporations and 1%ers are loving life, though. When you talk about "Pissed Off Voters" wanting to burn it all down, Deep, I think these are the reasons why...It's mostly the Wealth Gap. And that's a world wide problem...look at Greece and Mexico... And they aren't readily apparent reasons, thus people fall for the canard,"It's those lousy Immigrants taking that lousy apple picking job that I don't want!"... So there's an almost unconscious anger at the ways things are...and wanting them to be better... So here's my attempt at a catchy hashtag...to rile up voters! "I LIKE IKE'S ...TAX CODE!# |
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July 15th, 2018, 08:56 PM | #1807 | |
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So you can't really argue that the Trump voter was "working class" vs some wealthier "ownership class" voting for HRC. Obama had delivered a pretty dramatic increase in healthcare benefits-- in the states which had gone along with ACA expansion. So I have a hard time seeing the Trump voter as some kind of revolutionary. Its more a "revolt of the rich" than a "revolt of the poor". |
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you seem to not be taking into account the word turnout. HRC had something like 5 million less votes than Obama had in a 2012 election. Even though she ended up with more votes than Trump that deficit over the country made a difference. what I am saying is it what I am saying is it wasn't it wasn't the support of the wealthier voters best secured the victory for Trump but more of the abandonment by the working-class that sealed Hillary's fate.
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July 16th, 2018, 06:36 AM | #1809 | |
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And clearly, there are some younger racist types as we can see from Charlottesville & elsewhere. The kids may have their nose in their smartphones, but do you know where which sites they are accessing, or who they are texting and what the messages are? I know some college professors who have discovered that the kids were using their phones to take notes and record lectures, not to check out during class. It is a real mistake to underestimate them. And, of course, being young they will be making mistakes. I would be more comfortable if more had gotten military training. This country's past indicates that they are going to need it in the process of affecting change. But, these ought-to-be-retirees claiming to speak for America are seriously out of touch with the voters. Expect more electoral upsets. |
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Agreed. And it is again necessary to point out that Trump has never had the support of a plurality of the American voters, let alone a majority. He had a majority of the electors of the slaveocracy.
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