Vegan Diet V Carnivore Diet

[vo1v0d]

Twice I have gone vegetarian for a month and both times I gave up. Not because of a craving for the taste, but those canine teeth. Those bastards are made for gripping flesh while the incisors tear through. I needed the sensation of tearing flesh apart rather than the flavour. Our teeth are perfect proof we are supposed to eat everything that doesn;t eat us first. Our stomach is not like a sheep or cow, so vegan is not what we were constructed for. We also dont have stomachs like lions, so a diet consisting solely of meat is not an option either.
I reckon the perfect amount of meat for our health and the sake of the planet would be what ES considers a meal, we should eat that over the course of a week.

[Estreeter]

Originally Posted by otokonomidori

I don't eat meat actually - don't like the taste, but veganism is too extreme for me.

I'd have bet heavily you eat meat

Originally Posted by otokonomidori

However , if eating animals is wrong why are they made of meat ??

To keep butchers employed
To keep wives in the kitchen longer takes more time to fry a steak than toss a salad

This link below, might seem a joke and much of it is, but there are some very good truths amongst his sarcasm Plus being an Aussie makes it gospel
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oaR9_loA2ig

[rosestone]

Originally Posted by vo1v0d

Twice I have gone vegetarian for a month and both times I gave up. Not because of a craving for the taste, but those canine teeth. Those bastards are made for gripping flesh while the incisors tear through. I needed the sensation of tearing flesh apart rather than the flavour. Our teeth are perfect proof we are supposed to eat everything that doesn;t eat us first. Our stomach is not like a sheep or cow, so vegan is not what we were constructed for. We also dont have stomachs like lions, so a diet consisting solely of meat is not an option either.

Gorillas have much more prominent canine teeth than we do, and they don't eat flesh



Tbh I never understand this 'nature' argument anyway. Nature is horrible, that's why we have civilisation, so we can attempt to rise above it. We're constructed for breeding and then dying of tooth decay or something at age 30.

[vo1v0d]

Nature? For vegans and vegetarians. We have two eyes in the front of our heads just like all predators. Depth perception? Bollocks. Range finding. Can I run it down and kill it and eat it? Can it run me down, kill me and eat me? Nature and evolution.
And have they ignored the documentary evidence where chimps have been seen to be carnivores and cannibals? I consider that to be proof they are evolving.

[Estreeter]

Originally Posted by rosestone

Nature is horrible,

But always correct
Horrible is brain manipulation of the weaker minded.

[rosestone]

Originally Posted by Estreeter

But always correct
Horrible is brain manipulation of the weaker minded.

Lol, yeah, but try telling that to the judge after you've murdered your rival and taken over his patch of land

[vo1v0d]

I would like to backtrack a bit. If I was in the USA I would be vegetarian six days out of seven unless I could find an outlet for organic meat. It is illegal in the UK and Europe due to antibiotics and growth hormones, not even for pet food. Obama visited Europe just before his term ended in an attempt to get our regulations changed including food labeling. You cant give GM food away if it is clearly labeled on this side of the Atlantic.

[Roubignol]

Originally Posted by vo1v0d

Twice I have gone vegetarian for a month and both times I gave up. Not because of a craving for the taste, but those canine teeth. Those bastards are made for gripping flesh while the incisors tear through. I needed the sensation of tearing flesh apart rather than the flavour. Our teeth are perfect proof we are supposed to eat everything that doesn;t eat us first. Our stomach is not like a sheep or cow, so vegan is not what we were constructed for. We also dont have stomachs like lions, so a diet consisting solely of meat is not an option either.
I reckon the perfect amount of meat for our health and the sake of the planet would be what ES considers a meal, we should eat that over the course of a week.

You are new in this debate.

Initially there was one topic about "veganism" and another one (more specific) about: "Would you still eat meat if vegan food would taste like meat?", but both have been merged into a far more controversial title.

I couldn't write a too long title, so when I wrote "taste" it was about "having the same consistence, the same taste, etc...)

Dr Pepper pointed that we had not to forget the point : "if it was as nutritive as real meat" too.
I pointed that we could add the missing B12 vitamin.

I personnaly do not blame eskimos to be eskimos, hunter gatherers to hunt, etc.... I'm an ex-meat eater and still skeptical about several "vegan" arguments. (IMO an egg doesn't suffer, we still could eat eggs if hens have good conditions of life, but milk is unfair. I agree more with ovo-vegetarianism than veganism.)
What I blame the most is how we today treat animals and environment.
So I try to be as honest as possible with my "ethics".
IMO animals are treated like objects and several scientific researches try to demonstrate that producing so much meat on earth is really harmful for the environment.

So... if vegan food would be taste and get the same texture as meat, would you still eat meat or not ?

[Roubignol]

Originally Posted by Estreeter

But always correct
Horrible is brain manipulation of the weaker minded.

Aurélien Barrau is a top physicist and a vegan, in an interview he claimed he eats a lot of lentils.

Aurélien Barrau (19 May 1973 in Neuilly-sur-Seine) is a French physicist and philosopher, specialized in astroparticle physics, black holes and cosmology. He works in the CNRS Laboratory for Subatomic Physics and Cosmology (LPSC) and is professor at the Joseph Fourier University (now the Université Grenoble Alpes).

He was awarded the 2006 Bogoliubov Prize in theoretical physics, mostly for his researches about quantum black holes and primordial cosmology, and the 2012 European Thibaud prize in subatomic physics. He is a junior member of the Institut Universitaire de France (IUF). He was awarded the Joseph Fourier University medal in 2010. He was invited both at the "Institut des Hautes Études Scientifiques" (France) and at the "Institute for Advanced Study" (Princeton) as a visitor. He is also PhD in philosophy from Paris-Sorbonne university, and has written a book with Jean-Luc Nancy.

One of my female friend has two Ph, one in biology and one in computer science.
She's probably one of the most brilliant person I've met with in my life.
She understand everything in a snap of finger. She's a genius.
She's ovo-vegetarian since her childhood.

Srinivasa Ramanujan... one of the greatest mathematicians ever never ate meat.

Albert Einstein had a lot of "ethical" problems to eat animals. He even started to stop eating meat at the end of his life.

I'm sorry but your assertion is wrong. It's not demonstrated that people who don't eat meat are weaker minded. They suffer less of brain sclerosis, because they question ethics, when meat eaters do not.

[Estreeter]

Originally Posted by xyzde69

Aurélien Barrau is a top physicist and a vegan, in an interview he claimed he eats a lot of lentils.

Estreeter is a top of his class electrician and also holds a high voltage switching licence among many other certificates , he ... well, I'll quote him

Originally Posted by Estreeter

When I'm hungry I'll eat whatever I fucking want

Originally Posted by xyzde69

Albert Einstein had a lot of "ethical" problems to eat animals.

So did Hitler, didn't drink any alcohol or eat meat, so using your style of logic I think it's fair to say Veganism will lead to war plus genocide plus suicide