Weaponry; Discussion of Rights and Responsibilities

[vannax]

He won't be charged.
The guy was still withing striking range when he got shot.

Any lawyer worth his salt could get the guy off.
It's a split-second decision process:
"I've been assaulted, I'm on the ground, I pull my gun out and point it at the aggressor. Is he out of striking distance. No. Fire", all in 1/10 of a second or so.

[vannax]

Here's another shooting, by police, responding to a 911 call of a drunk man firing a handgun in the streets in Minnesota:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v41ZwYbkAog

Here's the family and friends of the perp responding to it:
Note that out of respect to the family, the press conference was delayed 12+ minutes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wqkp_jeWHik

Make up your own mind.

[LadyLuck]

Originally Posted by vannax

He won't be charged.
The guy was still withing striking range when he got shot.

Florida is notorious for charging people after the fact who should never have been charged based simply on public opinion.

[bowlinggreen]

Originally Posted by vannax

Here's another shooting, by police, responding to a 911 call of a drunk man firing a handgun in the streets in Minnesota:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v41ZwYbkAog

Here's the family and friends of the perp responding to it:
Note that out of respect to the family, the press conference was delayed 12+ minutes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wqkp_jeWHik

Make up your own mind.

The guy ran and ran, despite repeated warnings to stop and drop the gun. What the hell was he thinking, that he was going to get to his house and hide the gun here and deny that he had it? Nope. Busted, one way or the other.

You have a gun, a cop says drop it, do it and put your hands up, or risk getting pegged on the spot.

And that press conference - like halfway through all the black people totally disrupt it and call it murder... Let's have a riot at the press conference, all those evil white people will surely respect us then.

You look at the body cam footage, you can't deny the black guy was really asking for it. No telling racially motivated fairytales here, the camera does not lie.

I'd like to see all cops everywhere equipped with body cams.

[vannax]

Originally Posted by LadyLuck

Florida is notorious for charging people after the fact who should never have been charged based simply on public opinion.

Zimmerman being a perfect example.

[diamelsx]

Originally Posted by bowlinggreen

The guy ran and ran, despite repeated warnings to stop and drop the gun. What the hell was he thinking, that he was going to get to his house and hide the gun here and deny that he had it? Nope. Busted, one way or the other.

this is going to happen when trust in law enforcement is eroded like it has. The "if he just complied" narrative is not believed because it's been disproved too many times on and off camera.

Originally Posted by bowlinggreen

You have a gun, a cop says drop it, do it and put your hands up, or risk getting pegged on the spot.

that is provided that

1. you trust law enforcement in the first place
2. the gun is already in your hand at the time he makes the order

if those two conditions aren't being met you might as well keep running.

Originally Posted by bowlinggreen

And that press conference - like halfway through all the black people totally disrupt it and call it murder... Let's have a riot at the press conference, all those evil white people will surely respect us then.

you call that a riot? yeah they were unruly, they're frustrated they have seen too many incidents like this over the last couple years and whether they comply or not it ends up with people looking like them getting killed and law enforcement being called Justified in their actions.

Originally Posted by bowlinggreen

You look at the body cam footage, you can't deny the black guy was really asking for it. No telling racially motivated fairytales here, the camera does not lie.

your view is easier to have if you actually trust law enforcement this guy could not on any level.

Originally Posted by bowlinggreen

I'd like to see all cops everywhere equipped with body cams.

you know the main people that would not want this is law enforcement themselves. Groups have been wanting police to have them, but they also want the police not to have the ability to be able to turn them on and off at their convenience and also to have immediate access to the footage because they understand that editing is just as important as creation

[Rogerbh]

Well, if people with guns on them continue to disobey the police, run from the police, make sudden movements when confronted by police, then regardless of color, they will be shot.

Even if they don't have guns on them, not obeying the police is a sure way to anger them.

The last time I got pulled over by the police, I noticed that after calling my info in, the police officer got into a combat crouch and his hand was in a quick draw position. I am fairly certain that the dispatcher told him that I had many firearms registered to me.

It was a very uncomfortable few minutes while he slowly did a 360 around my truck, peering in to see if I had any weapons within grasp. I am certain if I did anything stupid I would have been shot. I didn't put my hands down until he got back into his vehicle. A couple minutes out of my life, a speeding ticket and I was on my way again.

The guy in the video was a moron. Did he deserve to be shot? When he went for his gun, he signed his death warrant.

[vannax]

The guy couldn't trust law enforcement on any level because he was a drunken retard firing a gun in the streets, then, when confronted, ran away and then pulled his gun on the cops.
One less thug.

[bowlinggreen]

Originally Posted by diamelsx

this is going to happen when trust in law enforcement is eroded like it has. The "if he just complied" narrative is not believed because it's been disproved too many times on and off camera.

What is the logical train of thought behind this, "We don't trust you, therefore we are going to behave badly and you'd better not do anything about it in the interests of social justice"?

That's not going to work. Not unless you want our black neighborhoods to start looking like Somalia.

I'll bet whoever called the cops on the guy in the first place was black, given the neighborhood.

I could maybe see the lack of trust if this was in Mississippi, but not Minnesota.

Originally Posted by diamelsx

you know the main people that would not want this is law enforcement themselves. Groups have been wanting police to have them, but they also want the police not to have the ability to be able to turn them on and off at their convenience and also to have immediate access to the footage because they understand that editing is just as important as creation

Some cops want them, some cops don't. If they are implemented, they should be activated from a central station at the start of shift and stay on, and the cops certainly should not be able to edit the footage.

Bad cops hate cameras, because it denies them the capability of handing out their evil ideas of "justice" in secret.

Originally Posted by Rogerbh

The last time I got pulled over by the police, I noticed that after calling my info in, the police officer got into a combat crouch and his hand was in a quick draw position. I am fairly certain that the dispatcher told him that I had many firearms registered to me.

It was a very uncomfortable few minutes while he slowly did a 360 around my truck, peering in to see if I had any weapons within grasp. I am certain if I did anything stupid I would have been shot. I didn't put my hands down until he got back into his vehicle. A couple minutes out of my life, a speeding ticket and I was on my way again.

That's weird, in California they have a database of gun owners and that's a standard part of the call-in data? How big-brother-ish.

Something must be very wrong in your state.

Originally Posted by vannax

The guy couldn't trust law enforcement on any level because he was a drunken retard firing a gun in the streets, then, when confronted, ran away and then pulled his gun on the cops.
One less thug.

Yep. Definitely part of the Darwin Awards pool, even if his death was not spectacular enough to warrant a trophy.

[rotobott]

I suppose if people were not allowed to have guns the police wouldn't be allowed to shoot them.

I remember back in the troubles when the Irish were using plastic forks, a megaphone would usually be enough

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dz-Kb1wvy8s