Weaponry; Discussion of Rights and Responsibilities

[rupertramjet]

Originally Posted by otokonomidori

WHen I was in Switzerland a few summers ago there was an open air shooting range about 1/2 a mile from the flat in which I was staying.

You'd sit on the balcony of an evening listening to the daft bastards just over the hill blazing away at Christ knows what till it got dark .

Where's the fun in that I thought; guns are shit, buy guitars instead.

It is very likely that this firing range was a military one. Switzerland with her long held neutrality, has a very small standing military, the slack is taken up with reservists, they train in the evenings and at weekends.

It is a bit awe inspiring to know that the road you are quietly driving along has an ulterior task, a runway for supersonic fighter jets!

[Rogerbh]

I have met people who have fired at Swiss gun ranges. They seem to be open to both public and military. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooti...in_Switzerland

An interesting range in Switzerland shoots safely over a main road. http://www.amusingplanet.com/2016/11...rland-has.html

[Rogerbh]

Here is an article from an anti-gun writer that will not be received well by most on this forum.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/opini...R7y?li=BBnb7Kz

Amazingly from the Washington Post.

[Roubignol]

Originally Posted by Jack Tripper

Are you Swiss? If you are I'd be really curious to know how guns are viewed there.

I feel that a large problem in the US is that guns are glorified and revered.

Yep. I'm binational.
In Switzerland guns are not glorified by the population.
Swiss people don't have the right to walk with a gun in the street. That's illegal.

Some Swiss "Libertarians" would like to have the right to carry one with them and try to surf to the recent acts of terrorism to defend their cause.
Hopefully they are a microscopic minority.

Originally Posted by Rogerbh

I have met people who have fired at Swiss gun ranges. They seem to be open to both public and military. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooti...in_Switzerland

But Swiss people can't walk with a gun like in several US states. That's illegal if they don't get a license delivered by the justice to carry a weapon.

My best friend probably has 20 guns at home. But he's an excellent competitor in precision shoot. He has the level of a sniper. But I never went to a bar with him and seeing him with a weapon.

In Switzerland people even can't walk with a "stiletto knife" on them.

[Roubignol]

Originally Posted by Rogerbh

I would predict that ISIS will gather a squad of suicidal adherents, take a number of rooms in a hotel overlooking an open air crowd and copy this idiot. Not only will they shoot a lot of people, but they will have plenty of trampling casualties to add to their damage numbers.

Surely they are scouting locations as we breathe.

I'd like to know which part of responsability have our medias in this problem.
That's quite evident to see that terrorists use medias to diffuse their acts and their rotten propaganda.

Look at the John Lennon's murderer... he killed John Lennon to become..... famous.

Maybe these murderers should remain anonym forever. Maybe the police would take their corpses and immediatly burn them.

[Puhbear69]

Originally Posted by xyzde69

Yep. I'm binational.
In Switzerland guns are not glorified by the population.
Swiss people don't have the right to walk with a gun in the street. That's illegal.

Some Swiss "Libertarians" would like to have the right to carry one with them and try to surf to the recent acts of terrorism to defend their cause.
Hopefully they are a microscopic minority.



But Swiss people can't walk with a gun like in several. That's illegal if they don't get a license delivered by the justice to carry a weapon.

My best friend probably has 20 guns at home. But he's an excellent competitor in precision shoot. He has the level of a sniper. But I never went to a bar with him and seeing him with a weapon.

In Switzerland people even can't walk with a "stiletto knife" on them.

As far as I know the military cannot get them out of the base any more. In the past it was usual for Swizz reservists.

But there were no or very, very little incidents in Switzerland with those weapons ... not to mention of any known mass shootings.
The most incidents have been suicides, I think the reason they don't give it to the reservists any more (... out of the base).

Insofar I can confirm what 'xyzde69' has said.

[Roubignol]

Originally Posted by rotobott

Even if it happened every day, they would not be able to do much, pre 1987 automatic weapons legally available, no check on ammo sales, what is the shelf life on ammo ?, America is screwed for the foreseeable

Hmmm maybe they could:

1) stop to sell new ones.
2) slowly destroy all the guns taken by the police.

but yep, when I read rogerbh sentence telling that there are more than 400 millions guns in the USA... it will last a very long time before to solve the problem apart if the law gives the rights to the police to proceed to visit the houses of potential crazy people.

[Roubignol]

Originally Posted by Puhbear69

As far as I know the military cannot get them out of the base any more. In the past it was usual for Swizz reservists.

But there were no or very, very little incidents in Switzerland with those weapons ... not to mention of any known mass shootings.
The most incidents have been suicides, I think the reason they don't give it to the reservists any more (... out of the base).

Insofar I can confirm what 'xyzde69' has said.

There was a "mass shootings" in Zug parlament in 2001.
A guy killed 14 politicians before to kill himself.

The another guy shot people in a small mountain village called Daillon in 2013 killing 3 people and wounding 2.

Even in the quiet Switzerland, people are not free of crazy ones....
But I'd like to know, how many people are killed in a city like New York (8 millions inhabitants) compared to a country like Switzerland (8 millions inhabitants)

[Rogerbh]

If you moved Switzerland into the same geographic place as the US, had our sets of minorities, even with your laws, our gangs and drug violence would give this "new" country the same level of violence that we have. We lost Prohibition and we have lost the war on drugs - our ability to control gang violence is next to non-existent. Hell, we even have some brain dead politicians trying to pay gang bangers to not shoot people. How long before that backfires? http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/09/01...eep-peace.html

[Rogerbh]

An interesting comparison is the crime rate in American Samoa - which is supposedly low - https://wikitravel.org/en/American_Samoa with the crime rate of American Samoans in the US. http://www.hcn.org/issues/303/15680 In certain areas, they make up 1% of the local population but 13% of the gang members? Supposedly they formed youth gangs as a means of protection from being beaten up by Hispanic gangs. Parents have little or no effect on gang membership - ? Drug trafficking is a major source of revenue for them and of course violence goes hand in hand with it.

Since we can't solve this violence problem, it would be interesting to see how your country would deal with it. I doubt that it would do much better than what we are doing. The possible solution of legalizing drugs and trying to take the profit out of it appears to be political poison.

I believe that any country - if they exchanged geographic positions with the US and had the same minority mix as we do, would have the same violence levels. Good luck with trying to get 400 million plus guns off the streets.