Current Politics in the United Kingdom - Page 429

**palo5** · November 15th, 2018, 12:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by palo5

8. Will the UK be in the EU’s Common Foreign and Security Policy (CFSP) and its Common Security and Defence Policy (CSDP)? If you agree to EU data laws, which are governed by EU/ECJ

Those are my best guesses

This is from the draft, but it's only page 15 and I'm tired:

ARTICLE
8
Access to networks, information systems and databases
Unless otherwise provided in this Agreement, at the end of the transition period the United
Kingdom
shall cease to be entitled to access any network, any information system and any database
established on the basis of Union law. The United Kingdom shall take appropriate measures to
ensure that it does not access a network, information system or database
which it is no longer
entitled to access.

**Devius** · November 15th, 2018, 06:35 AM

Love the Sun's...

**scoundrel** · November 15th, 2018, 07:05 AM

I am noticing that a "no Brexit" option is starting to sneak into discussion.

By the pricking of my thumbs...

But in case anyone doesn't remember, the EU has 27 other member states. I wouldn't expect to be welcomed back like the prodigal son; frankly, they won't be all that keen to have us back again.

Neither am I at all keen to go back there, in a far weaker position than we were in before Mr Cameron declared a referendum. It is more than time we left the EU; membership has entailed ever increasing domination of our governance by others, and that trend will continue on steroids now that the EU will no longer need to be worried that Britain might decide to leave.

No Brexit would be an act of surrender.

**Devius** · November 15th, 2018, 07:07 AM

Shailesh Vara, the Minister of State at the Northern Ireland Office, has resigned.

Mr Vara, a Conservative MP, has left his post over the Brexit draft deal.

Source:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-46219496

**judy84** · November 15th, 2018, 07:17 AM

I have read a lot of the draft but the trouble is it refers back to previous articles and agreements.
I do not mind the agreement apart from the backstop which is not needed.

https://parliamentlive.tv/event/inde...4-38f9f276f7fa

A NI minister, Shailesh Vara, has already resigned.

As to following rules and directives imposed during the transition, any we don't like we just ignore like Visegrad countries and Italy.

In response the EU can take away our vote...ok we don't have one.

They could expel us from the EU...ok.

Or, they could impose a fine, in which case we say add it to the bill which we will pay when we are repaid by the ECB.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-a8023516.html

**judy84** · November 15th, 2018, 08:04 AM

Brexit Secretary Dominic Raab has just resigned as Theresa May faces a full blown crisis in response to her disastrous EU plan.Raab has said that he “cannot in good conscience support the terms proposed for our deal with the EU”.

https://www.westmonster.com/raab-res...xit-secretary/

**DB83** · November 15th, 2018, 08:30 AM

^^ Gotta ask why he took that gig in the first place when much of the daft is based on that Chequers Plan that prompted Davis to jump ship.

And this from a guy who could not even appreciate the link between Dover and Calais.

Still I expect others to follow as the day progresses.

bjcb0 · November 15th, 2018, 08:54 AM

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Originally Posted by judy84

Brexit Secretary Dominic Raab has just resigned as Theresa May faces a full blown crisis in response to her disastrous EU plan.Raab has said that he “cannot in good conscience support the terms proposed for our deal with the EU”.

https://www.westmonster.com/raab-res...xit-secretary/

Dominic Raab might be resigning to spend more time with Google Maps.

**judy84** · November 15th, 2018, 09:10 AM

Ester McVey

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics...y-brexit-deal/

Still not the important on....MAY

bjcb0 · November 15th, 2018, 09:16 AM

Iain Dale was on Wednesday's Newsnight and suggested that one strategy to unseat May would be a sequence of hourly Cabinet resignations. I assume that wasn't mere conjecture given this morning.

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November 15th, 2018, 07:05 AM	#4283
scoundrel Super Moderator Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: England Posts: 26,266 Thanks: 162,477 Thanked 278,816 Times in 26,211 Posts	I am noticing that a "no Brexit" option is starting to sneak into discussion. By the pricking of my thumbs... But in case anyone doesn't remember, the EU has 27 other member states. I wouldn't expect to be welcomed back like the prodigal son; frankly, they won't be all that keen to have us back again. Neither am I at all keen to go back there, in a far weaker position than we were in before Mr Cameron declared a referendum. It is more than time we left the EU; membership has entailed ever increasing domination of our governance by others, and that trend will continue on steroids now that the EU will no longer need to be worried that Britain might decide to leave. No Brexit would be an act of surrender. __________________ To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

November 15th, 2018, 07:07 AM	#4284
Devius Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: It's a London Thing.... Posts: 23,579 Thanks: 142,427 Thanked 228,792 Times in 23,615 Posts	Shailesh Vara, the Minister of State at the Northern Ireland Office, has resigned. Mr Vara, a Conservative MP, has left his post over the Brexit draft deal. Source: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-46219496 __________________ "I've had it with them, I've had it with you, I've had it with ALL THIS - I WANT ROOM SERVICE!* I want the club sandwich, I want the cold Mexican beer, I want a $10,000-a-night hooker!"* Johnny Mnemonic (1995)

November 15th, 2018, 07:17 AM	#4285
judy84 Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: Wilts Posts: 2,008 Thanks: 34,481 Thanked 21,442 Times in 2,021 Posts	I have read a lot of the draft but the trouble is it refers back to previous articles and agreements. I do not mind the agreement apart from the backstop which is not needed. https://parliamentlive.tv/event/inde...4-38f9f276f7fa A NI minister, Shailesh Vara, has already resigned. As to following rules and directives imposed during the transition, any we don't like we just ignore like Visegrad countries and Italy. In response the EU can take away our vote...ok we don't have one. They could expel us from the EU...ok. Or, they could impose a fine, in which case we say add it to the bill which we will pay when we are repaid by the ECB. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-a8023516.html

November 15th, 2018, 08:04 AM	#4286
judy84 Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: Wilts Posts: 2,008 Thanks: 34,481 Thanked 21,442 Times in 2,021 Posts	Brexit Secretary Dominic Raab has just resigned as Theresa May faces a full blown crisis in response to her disastrous EU plan.Raab has said that he “cannot in good conscience support the terms proposed for our deal with the EU”. https://www.westmonster.com/raab-res...xit-secretary/

November 15th, 2018, 08:30 AM	#4287
DB83 Vintage Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 1,472 Thanks: 1,948 Thanked 12,019 Times in 1,458 Posts	^^ Gotta ask why he took that gig in the first place when much of the daft is based on that Chequers Plan that prompted Davis to jump ship. And this from a guy who could not even appreciate the link between Dover and Calais. Still I expect others to follow as the day progresses.

November 15th, 2018, 09:10 AM	#4289
judy84 Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: Wilts Posts: 2,008 Thanks: 34,481 Thanked 21,442 Times in 2,021 Posts	Ester McVey https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics...y-brexit-deal/ Still not the important on....MAY

November 15th, 2018, 09:16 AM	#4290
bjcb0 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: East Sussex and France Posts: 308 Thanks: 5,895 Thanked 3,770 Times in 308 Posts	Iain Dale was on Wednesday's Newsnight and suggested that one strategy to unseat May would be a sequence of hourly Cabinet resignations. I assume that wasn't mere conjecture given this morning.