Militant Islamists

[scoundrel]

Originally Posted by shagger

In actual fact the Charlie hebdo thing was designed to provocate, and thats what it did, so what did they expect?

So in a move to show defiance (or fecking stupidity) they chose to print another cartoon!!!! Who knows what's gonna happen next, each time they provoke a reaction and its never a good one.

[snip]

I think anyone that causes an offensive provacative event should be jailed regardless of their beliefs.

There is no human right to "not be offended" by what someone else has to say. No doubt the Hegbo cartoons did indeed cause offence; but when Islamo-Fascist spokesmen express hate and contempt for my country and its core values, it is not therefore either my duty o my right to seek them out and murder them. Nothing which was published by Charlie Hegbo offers any shred of an excuse for the crime which took place and I can think of no reason more compelling to buy and read the cartoons than as an act of resistance to the intimidation being orchestrated against our secular society by the Islamo-Fascists who support and endorse this foul and cowardly deed.

[scoundrel]

Originally Posted by SanteeFats

First for this poor old American what is an RC?

RC in this context almost certainly means Roman Catholic.

[cicciobuki]

Originally Posted by shagger

In actual fact the Charlie hebdo thing was designed to provocate, and thats what it did, so what did they expect?

it was also designed to make people think. And to make people laugh. 2 things that are not happening enough anymore these days.

So in a move to show defiance (or fecking stupidity) they chose to print another cartoon!!!! Who knows what's gonna happen next, each time they provoke a reaction and its never a good one.

Not just another cartoon, a whole new magazine in fact (and i've seen it, it is rather ugly, as they've always been, but IMO that cover isn't bad: the prophet saying he's a Charlie -> not agreeing with the violence of radical muslims, although of course many people will be offended nevertheless, that's what people seem to love to do).

But yes, it is not a smart/safe choice if you don't wanna get killed by crazy people.

Moreover a while back they were going to print an image of sarkozys son as a hebrew in some micktake about fraud allegations, yet that was blocked by the courts so I'm afraid it really is in their case je suis *hypocrite*.

Aren't they just obeying the law here? Is obeying the law hypocrite?

Freedom of speech is one thing but as a practising RC i get annoyed when people make fun of religious figures because they don't have a religion themselves, that doesn't make it OK, and you cant blame people reacting against it.

So it's ok when a religious person mocks another religion, but not when an atheist does it?

I think anyone that causes an offensive provacative event should be jailed regardless of their beliefs.

But wat is provocative? people can be insulted by anything and everything, so the only solution would be to ban everything. Or send everyone to jail.

[Wendigo]

Islam at its very worst can be seen in Africa with Boko Haram

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-30826582

Initially focused on opposing Western education - Boko Haram means "Western education is forbidden" in the Hausa language. They have now graduated to merciless savagery.

[Grey Wolf]

I was listening to the News Yesterday [Australia] when one of our esteemed politicians [sic] was asked about our governments reaction to the Murders in France.
After some typical ramble about nothing I was surprised to hear the following "The type of cartoons or statements expressed by the French Magazine in question would not be allowed nor tolerated in Australia"

I was shocked that the right of free speech had been taken from us Australians..

Later that afternoon a number of Muslim lads in the Western Suburbs of Sydney burnt Australian Flags and large photographs of Aussie Soldiers Killed in Iraq & Afghanistan.

Yet we would not be allowed to print a cartoon or a statement.

Methinks the world has gone a tad Mad........

Oh yes the police could take no action as it was their right of peaceful Protest.
WTF

[flake56]

had no clue as to meaning or language of their name to even look it up. I think leader just got over inflated ego and now kills for joy of it. easy to do for religious idiots there or here. this post is in reference to windigo post.

[time_killer]

Originally Posted by SanteeFats

Is it time to start expelling Muslim extremists and those who are deemed to be a terrorist threat? There are so many Muslims on watch/do not fly lists in so many countries. Most do not seem to do much UNTIL they do. See France. Is it time to kick them out of their respective countries? Let them land wherever? Yes this seems racists for those who view it that way but face it - radical Muslims are the primary cause of death and destruction in today's world. Speak up people!!!

I can't speak for citizens of other countries because i don't live there, which makes it none of my business. As for my thoughts on the US....
I believe in "innocent until proven guilty" if and when a muslim extremists breaks the law they should be tried and punished. FYI, I believe the US has to totally re-think the whole prison/penalty issue. If someone is guilty of cold-blooded murder, they should be put to death.

Just my 2 cents

[SanteeFats]

Originally Posted by time_killer

I can't speak for citizens of other countries because i don't live there, which makes it none of my business. As for my thoughts on the US....
I believe in "innocent until proven guilty" if and when a muslim extremists breaks the law they should be tried and punished. FYI, I believe the US has to totally re-think the whole prison/penalty issue. If someone is guilty of cold-blooded murder, they should be put to death. Just my 2 cents

Killer you shouldn't have put the 2 cents in there what with the real value of them nowadays.
I don't know the criteria for making the Do Not Fly list or the terror watch list but if there is enough info for that to happen that might very well fill the innocent until proven guilty part and they should be expelled. As an example the French thing. If France had that policy in place those butchers would have been expelled and 17 innocents would be alive now, IMO.

[scoundrel]

Originally Posted by SanteeFats

Killer you shouldn't have put the 2 cents in there what with the real value of them nowadays.
I don't know the criteria for making the Do Not Fly list or the terror watch list but if there is enough info for that to happen that might very well fill the innocent until proven guilty part and they should be expelled. As an example the French thing. If France had that policy in place those butchers would have been expelled and 17 innocents would be alive now, IMO.

Correct me if I wrong but the Charlie Hegbo murderers, Cherif and Said Kouachi, were born and raised (badly) in France, were they not? You cannot talk glibly about expelling or deporting a natural born citizen.

• It is illegal under international law to render anyone stateless.
• If you expell an undesireable US-born scumbag and leave him to turn up like a bad penny on the soil of my country, you have committed an unfriendly act against my country. There is no legitimate excuse for dumping the unwanted scum of Europe and Norrth America on the people of Syria and Iraq.
• Not letting the pond life of other countries come onto your t.erritory is a different matter and the burden of proof is much lower than in a court case. There have been some strange and patently unjust exclusions, but wherever you find laws you will find injustice.

It would make more sense to identify and punish dangerous behaviour such as denouncing the publication of a cartoon as an "act of war", plainly intended to incite violence in the present situation; we have our very own British Islamo-Fascist rentamouth stating exactly this, that the new edition of Charlie Hegbo is an "act of war". If the decision were mine he would be in custody right now facing charges of incitement to religious hatred and I would be pressing those charges as hard as possible. But as for expelling him, do you want to take him off our hands, STF?

[SanteeFats]

Actually Scoundrel I believe I can. It is my opinion that those such as the French scum committing those acts plus those on any do not fly list or terrorist watch list have given up any right to consideration of where their citizen ship lies. Those French assholes may have been citizens but they were also on a list. IMO they should have been deported, expelled, whatever. Yes it is a harsh judgment on my part but I personally am very tired of those who should not be allowed to intermingle with real humans getting rights they do not deserve until they manage to slaughter others. Those who have elected to go fight for the Muslim "cause" should, IMO, NEVER be allowed to return to their home country. Enough is enough. It is time to take a more proactive stance toward radical Muslims and their adherents.

Scoundrel if Hebdo had just acquiesced to the attack then the scum win. By doing as they did they refuted the Muslim viewpoint, right or wrong. Right ,IMO.
As to where to send them let ISIS have them. Yes they might add temporarily to their manpower but how do you think they will be treated there?
There comes a time when due process for proven scum should give way to the safety of the innocent. Supposedly the Hebdo attack was for the prophet caricatures, okay. What about the four Jewish men killed just because they were Jewish? By a career criminal no less.
Scoundrel I can not comprehend your comment about denouncing a CARTOON no matter how offensive it might be to some as being ruled an act of war. Especially in countries such as yours and mine where free speech is guaranteed at least to some extent.
Yes I will take him, for a few seconds anyway!!