Conspiracies

[squigg58]

Originally Posted by scoundrel

Rather than screwing up, the ultimate murderer of JFK (unless we accept that LHO acted alone in the planning as well as the actual crime) has ingeniously created a wealth of false leads to keep us all off his scent for nearly 50 years.

Interesting!

So, are you suggesting that the advantage of a convoluted plot is that it's easier to slip in a few red herrings which will take people off in lots of different directions?

I can see that the more conspiracy theories there are, the muddier the water becomes.

It really would be the ultimate irony if many of the conspiracy theories were started by those involved in order to deliberately cover their tracks!!

[DTravel]

Originally Posted by billybunter

With regards to the JFK shooting, it has been proven time and again that the shots from the 6th floor book depository were not the only shots.

I've never heard of any "multiple shooters" theory that has stood up to an objective examination.

[squigg58]

Originally Posted by billybunter

What makes me laugh, are the believers who convince themselves the official story must be true because, um, it's official.

There are lots of those too, Billy, and they're just as bad as those who won't accept the official version because it's official!

Originally Posted by billybunter

Anyone who thinks out of the box is a nutter.

Thinking outside the box is fine, and it's encouraged in brainstorming and problem-solving. (I've spent most of my working life doing these things and have been called a "nutter" many a time!). However, once the ideas have been pooled, there then needs to be a "reality check". What's possible, what's probable, what's the most likely explanation, what stands the best chance of working, etc. etc.

Just because an idea is "out of the box" does not mean it's a good idea! In fact, one of the cardinal sins of brainstorming and problem-solving is to ignore what's in the box!

If it looks like a duck, waddles like a duck, and quacks like a duck, it could be a chicken that's been disguised to look like a duck, and trained to act like a duck by the CIA who want to spy on ducks ... but it's more likely to just be a duck!

Originally Posted by billybunter

LHO shot the President and went to the movies ffs you can't be serious.

I think the official version is that he hid in a theatre after the shooting of Patrolman Tippit. Not quite the same thing!

However, just speaking in general terms, there are basically three options for someone who's committed a crime.

1. Hightail it out of the area, but they then run the risk of drawing attention to themselves.
2. Hide, but if they're found they have to have be able to explain why they're hiding.
3. Act naturally. Blend it. "Hide" in plain sight. Do what everyone else is doing. Buy an ice cream. Do some shopping. Take in a movie.

So if whoever shot JFK had then gone to a movie, why would that be so ridiculous?

[billybunter]

If you have just shot dead the president of the United States you don't go to the movies to hide or eat popcorn. Every police officer, member of the public is on the look out for you.
Watch the Jesse Ventura program shots came from more than one place.

The Warren Commission report is laughable it is that bad. Like the Widgery report into Domhnach na Fola or Bloody Sunday.

The whole sad saga stinks, just like Bobby's death.

[squigg58]

Originally Posted by billybunter

If you have just shot dead the president of the United States you don't go to the movies to hide or eat popcorn. Every police officer, member of the public is on the look out for you.

You certainly wouldn't do it if you believed it was known that you'd done it! If you thought you'd got away with it, you'd act normally.

In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if the guy on the grassy knoll went for a burger afterwards!

Originally Posted by billybunter

Watch the Jesse Ventura program shots came from more than one place.

I must admit that I find his presentation style to be a bit too "Wrestlemania" for my liking.

However, I've nothing against the guy ... after all, he doesn't believe all this moon landing hoax conspiracy theory stuff!

As I said in an earlier post ... I've no idea what happened with the JFK shooting. It could have been any number of people. All I'd say is that I think the word "proof" is bandied about a bit too much!

[doyle]

Someone made the point about the JFK murder that it represented a shift in power in the US. Pretty obvious. But, as there were so many suspicious loose ends that were not given due consideration, someone obviously had the influence to suppress them.

So yes, there was a shift in power - but not on the day of his death. In fact, it had already taken place.

Pretty chilling stuff, eh?

[otokonomidori]

Originally Posted by doyle

Someone made the point about the JFK murder that it represented a shift in power in the US. Pretty obvious. But, as there were so many suspicious loose ends that were not given due consideration, someone obviously had the influence to suppress them.

So yes, there was a shift in power - but not on the day of his death. In fact, it had already taken place.



Pretty chilling stuff, eh?

WHere did the power shift from, and to whom?

[billybunter]

Originally Posted by squigg58

You certainly wouldn't do it if you believed it was known that you'd done it! If you thought you'd got away with it, you'd act normally.

In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if the guy on the grassy knoll went for a burger afterwards!



I must admit that I find his presentation style to be a bit too "Wrestlemania" for my liking.

However, I've nothing against the guy ... after all, he doesn't believe all this moon landing hoax conspiracy theory stuff!

As I said in an earlier post ... I've no idea what happened with the JFK shooting. It could have been any number of people. All I'd say is that I think the word "proof" is bandied about a bit too much!

Jesse's show is cheesy I grant you that. He says he was a navy seal, some say he never saw combat? And he's a fighter (clench fist ) he's a big guy alright.
I don't know what happened either. But i'm sure the official story is BS. Governments never tell the truth. A quote from MI5.

[blueballsdc]

Originally Posted by billybunter

Jesse's show is cheesy I grant you that. He says he was a navy seal, some say he never saw combat? And he's a fighter (clench fist ) he's a big guy alright.
I don't know what happened either. But i'm sure the official story is BS. Governments never tell the truth. A quote from MI5.

To be fair to Jesse Ventura, he never claimed to have fought in Vietnam and he did admit that he never did about 10 years ago. However, he did serve in the Navy during the war as a member of the UDT and he was a reserve for Seal Team 1. He was stationed at Subic Bay in the Philippines and did provide service to the war effort. I have met him a couple of times in DC and he is a big guy and would probably be good in a fight. He does have quite a flair for the dramatic, the flamboyant, and the theatrical so I would take anything in his show with quite a few grains of salt.

[billybunter]

Originally Posted by blueballsdc

To be fair to Jesse Ventura, he never claimed to have fought in Vietnam and he did admit that he never did about 10 years ago. However, he did serve in the Navy during the war as a member of the UDT and he was a reserve for Seal Team 1. He was stationed at Subic Bay in the Philippines and did provide service to the war effort. I have met him a couple of times in DC and he is a big guy and would probably be good in a fight. He does have quite a flair for the dramatic, the flamboyant, and the theatrical so I would take anything in his show with quite a few grains of salt.

I'm sure he's a nice guy get rid of the pony tail mate he caused a few waves over 9/11.