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June 25th, 2018, 04:19 PM | #1461 |
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You will never understand this, don't know why 1, I am happy 2, Reasonably healthy 3, Earn a very decent salary 4, Never hungry 5, Have saved money, own a small acreage farm that I have rented out 6, Have no problem in my countries laws 7, Am happy that both left and right governments have brought a balance 8, Free to move where ever I want to go 9, Vote in a very democratic system I like in State, Federal and local elections 10, Educated. Why the hell would I want to live in a Communist state, which as you know and have posted here, murdered a member of my family for having an opinion ??? and that was a supposed mild communist state ..... Can you not understand that ???? it was M U R D E R all for the control of a way of life that is doomed to fail because under that system the vast majority have to have the same mindset, in reality , that cannot happen long term........ but you will find a way to convince yourself it can because in your mind you want it to work and nothing more ........ reality is what happened in world history.
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1. I own my own home and car 2. I am reasonably healthy, but need to lose some weight 3. Earn a decent enough wage for the area I love in 4. Have two decent pensions due to kick in within the next 7 or 8 years as well as the state pension. 5. I can travel anywhere I want in the world, again avoiding shit holes most sensible people would avoid (North Kimrea) 6. Have prospered under both Labour and Conservative governments 7. Have no issue accepting election results, even if the side I voted for loses 8. Am free to read pretty much whatever I want without some intrusive shithead employed by the State taking down my details 9. Similarly I can happily watch movies from all over the world and am not interested in the slightest in the latest documentary on the increase in turnip production in collective farm 28. 10. All of the above and many more
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June 25th, 2018, 05:41 PM | #1464 | |
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"Anarcho Marxism" is a bit like "Vegan Prime Rib" -- its a contradiction in terms. Marx himself called for a "revolutionary dictatorship of the Proletariat".
That's not "anarchism", that's a whole lot of unchecked power in the hands of the Party. Russian anarchists in fact denounced the Bolsheviks, most famously Kropotkin Quote:
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Finally, the process made by Capitalist propaganda is based on biaised points. I only used scientific process. If one point is wrong, finally the theory is wrong too. What did I break here? 1) Communism existed. Answer: Wrooonggg. Example: All the Socialist countries still used money, had a bancary system. Russia had the ruble and Poland the zloty. The funniest fact is that USA made a lot of business with Socialist countries. Normally, after this first observation, the discussion is over. But let's play the game a little bit longer. 2) Communism = tyranny. Answer: Wroooonggg. Example: First Soviets were democrats and their representants were revocable. 3) Communism = famine. Answer: Wrooongg. Examples: Poland or Yugoslavia never faced any form of famine. 4) Communism killed a lot of people. Answer: Wrooonggg. Demonstration: All those Socialist countries still were State Capitalist countries. The victims are victims of a form of Capitalism. During the World Cup time in Russia, the final score would be. XYZDE69: 4 - AntiCommunist propaganda: 0 Ohoho! If I was arrogant, I should say that's a brilliant victory. So my friends... when do we start a fairer society together? |
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So many things are wrong here, but let's just take this one:
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So yes-- they did better than countries that more comprehensively implemented a Marxist program. The less Marxist a nation is, the less it starves its people . . . that's not exactly a defense of the Marxist project. |
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Alienation, social slavery, increase in social inequalities. But Bakunin or Kropotkin did not agree about the revolutionnary project. Even today, liberals read Marx, because his analysis were well funded on several points. He was not an imbecile. As I showed in this topic, even a Natixis banker recently quoted Marx about problems on the rate of profit. Quote:
I know that's must be very hard for you to see your main argument unraveled. By the way, the Dalaļ Lama defined himself: Half Buddhist, half Marxist. I'd define myself: One quarter antispecist, one quarter Buddhist, one quarter Marxist, one quarter Anarchist. Would it be correct I'd define yourself: 100% Trumpist, because you are for Capitalism and redistribution by runoff? |
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Errrrr .... Wrrrronnnnngggg The fact that the numerous backward barbaric Communist states that crashed and burned in the 20th Century don't meet your twee revisionist 21st Century rainbow scented idea of what YOU consider Marxism should be doesn't actually make you right. I judge those nations by the ideas that were prevalent at the time not some idyllic imaginary fantasy with Karl as the Messiah. I consider myself to be about 60% water and 20% chocolate
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If you can't answer, I can help you. 1) No more greed. 2) No more poverty. 3) Fair society. 4) Assholes who didn't want to share their wealth or had the desire to exploit hard working poor people had immediatly to go to heaven with God. Don't you agree with these ideas. |
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He had no ability to plan some other system. In the 150 years after his death, we have had many attempts by many different Marxists of different flavors to "implement communism". They have all failed, and the problem that they fail on is the one the Kropotkin identified in the Bolsheviks -- the monopolization of power by a revolutionary Communist Party. When you find revolutionary Marxists who _don't_ want to monopolize political power in the hands of a communist party, let me know. |
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