Weaponry; Discussion of Rights and Responsibilities - Page 46

**Rogerbh** · June 20th, 2018, 09:12 PM

https://www.usacarry.com/carrying-cocked-locked/

Condition 1 is called "cocked and locked", proponents state a fraction of a second is the difference between life and death. You won't change the mind of a Jeff Cooper follower.

If you are a professional bodyguard perhaps, but mostly I hear of grandmas dropping their purse and the pistol going off, or a young kid accidently pulling a trigger on a parent, etc. Carrying a pistol with a round in the chamber, a revolver with all cylinders loaded, there will be accidents. Carrying a pistol with no round in the chamber, a revolver with the hammer down on an empty cylinder, there will be less accidents.

The Israelis know what they are doing and if they can survive on Condition 3, our herd of non-professional gun owners - if they can legally carry - should also follow their lead.

**vannax** · June 20th, 2018, 09:12 PM

Rigorous firearm training should be part of the public education curriculum.

**bowlinggreen** · June 21st, 2018, 05:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Rogerbh

It takes a fraction of a second to rack a slide back. Why people insist on keeping a loaded chamber is beyond me. The Israeli carry is so superior in terms of safety, it should be mandated by police departments.

Only if you are rigorously trained. You're an average Joe, a mugger starts pulling out a gun in front of you, are you fast enough to rack that slide? Maybe not.

Also, what if you only have one hand free, because you are grappling with some guy who is trying to knock you down or knife you? You won't be racking that slide then.

The whole point of having a pistol is that you can grab it and fire immediately, because when you need it, you need it RIGHT NOW.

And the fact is, probably a majority of people should not tote guns around, because they lack the sort of motor control and common sense to properly use (or not use) one when they get into a sticky situation.

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Originally Posted by vannax

Rigorous firearm training should be part of the public education curriculum.

Most of us boys had hunter safety training as young lads. Helps some.

Some schools around here have target shooting rifle clubs too.

All that of course is extracurricular.

You'd have to have an entire semester long course in quasi-military training, and justify it on grounds of preparing the youth for national defense, in order to get students really familiar with guns. Sort of like ROTC, but more into the basics, and mandatory.

And a lot of parents would throw a screaming fit if you forced their children to take such training.

"My Johnny is going to have a successful career as a lawyer, and you want to train him to be some sort of military thug? Oh, no you don't!"

The school board would be overthrown in short order. That sort of thing would never fly.

**Rogerbh** · June 24th, 2018, 11:28 PM

Cop body cam video of shooting at a little barking dog and instead hitting a 9 year old girl.
https://www.liveleak.com/view?t=sRG9H_1529790827
I guess his explanation wasn't any good so he's fired and Wichita will probably be paying out a ton of money.

Trigger happy people should not be cops.

**Mal Hombre** · June 25th, 2018, 08:32 AM

I love this comment "The The cop did not "shoot a little girl instead of the family dog". A bullet fragment ricochet and hit her above the eye, she was discharged from hospital a day later, and so was the dog." So that's all right then..

**bowlinggreen** · June 25th, 2018, 11:16 AM

Cops have batons and pepper spray, that ought to be what you use to deter an angry little dog.

If it was a Rottweiler or something, that might be a different story.

**SanteeFats** · June 25th, 2018, 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Mal Hombre

I love this comment "The The cop did not "shoot a little girl instead of the family dog". A bullet fragment ricochet and hit her above the eye, she was discharged from hospital a day later, and so was the dog." So that's all right then..

I have never seen a little dog that I was afraid of so much that it needed to be shot!!!!

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Originally Posted by bowlinggreen

Cops have batons and pepper spray, that ought to be what you use to deter an angry little dog.

If it was a Rottweiler or something, that might be a different story.

If it was as large as a Rotty he would of had a much bigger target!!

**Rogerbh** · July 7th, 2018, 04:38 AM

Here is a video of a man getting angry at a restaurant, going back to the kitchen, punching a lady, getting a weapon (?) pointed at him and retreating.

If it was a pistol, too bad she didn't shoot.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/man-punch...002333948.html

Some of the story - https://www.jsonline.com/story/news/...deo/763657002/

**scoundrel** · July 7th, 2018, 07:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Rogerbh

Here is a video of a man getting angry at a restaurant, going back to the kitchen, punching a lady, getting a weapon (?) pointed at him and retreating.

If it was a pistol, too bad she didn't shoot.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/man-punch...002333948.html

Some of the story - https://www.jsonline.com/story/news/...deo/763657002/

Shooting him unless he persisted with the attack would have been murder, not self-defence. But for certain he should have been tracked down, arrested and sent to prison for an act of common assault. The sentence should reflect that the CCTV footage shows intent to continue the attack and commit a much more severe assault; the other worker with her gun thwarted him in that very clear intent. If the police can't find this person with such clear CCTV footage to assist them, they aren't much good.

**Rogerbh** · July 7th, 2018, 07:49 AM

The guy is supposedly a well known violent drug dealer. The woman with the CCW quit that night from fear of retribution. If she had shot as he was following up on his punch, no jury in the US would have convicted her. Giving him a warning may be more humane, but apparently most people believe she is going to pay for standing up to him.

The fact that waitresses at that location have the boss's permission to conceal carry is rather damning.

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Rogerbh Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Land of the free within reasonable limitations Posts: 10,901 Thanks: 50,521 Thanked 91,177 Times in 10,749 Posts	Here is a video of a man getting angry at a restaurant, going back to the kitchen, punching a lady, getting a weapon (?) pointed at him and retreating. If it was a pistol, too bad she didn't shoot. https://www.yahoo.com/news/man-punch...002333948.html Some of the story - https://www.jsonline.com/story/news/...deo/763657002/ Last edited by Rogerbh; July 7th, 2018 at 04:49 AM..

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June 20th, 2018, 09:12 PM	#451
Rogerbh Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Land of the free within reasonable limitations Posts: 10,901 Thanks: 50,521 Thanked 91,177 Times in 10,749 Posts	https://www.usacarry.com/carrying-cocked-locked/ Condition 1 is called "cocked and locked", proponents state a fraction of a second is the difference between life and death. You won't change the mind of a Jeff Cooper follower. If you are a professional bodyguard perhaps, but mostly I hear of grandmas dropping their purse and the pistol going off, or a young kid accidently pulling a trigger on a parent, etc. Carrying a pistol with a round in the chamber, a revolver with all cylinders loaded, there will be accidents. Carrying a pistol with no round in the chamber, a revolver with the hammer down on an empty cylinder, there will be less accidents. The Israelis know what they are doing and if they can survive on Condition 3, our herd of non-professional gun owners - if they can legally carry - should also follow their lead.

June 24th, 2018, 11:28 PM	#454
Rogerbh Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Land of the free within reasonable limitations Posts: 10,901 Thanks: 50,521 Thanked 91,177 Times in 10,749 Posts	Cop body cam video of shooting at a little barking dog and instead hitting a 9 year old girl. https://www.liveleak.com/view?t=sRG9H_1529790827 I guess his explanation wasn't any good so he's fired and Wichita will probably be paying out a ton of money. Trigger happy people should not be cops.

July 7th, 2018, 07:49 AM	#460
Rogerbh Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Land of the free within reasonable limitations Posts: 10,901 Thanks: 50,521 Thanked 91,177 Times in 10,749 Posts	The guy is supposedly a well known violent drug dealer. The woman with the CCW quit that night from fear of retribution. If she had shot as he was following up on his punch, no jury in the US would have convicted her. Giving him a warning may be more humane, but apparently most people believe she is going to pay for standing up to him. The fact that waitresses at that location have the boss's permission to conceal carry is rather damning.