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May 17th, 2018, 09:11 PM | #3641 |
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When you consider that the Brexit campaign had effectively been going on for years,It beggars belief that no one ever gave any thought to how it would be accomplished and what would happen afterwards.
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* All the EU programmes that benefit the regions overlooked by the British government. Those EU programmes aim to reduce regional wealth disparities: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...-how-does-thi/ http://ec.europa.eu/regional_policy/...2009/uk_en.pdf http://blogs.lse.ac.uk/europpblog/20...fited-from-eu/ * British farmers will greatly suffer when they no longer receive funds through the Common Agricultural Policy: https://fullfact.org/europe/how-much...ve-eu-funding/ * And British citizens also benefit from EU agencies. For instance, British cancer patients can be treated because radioactive isotopes can quickly be imported to the UK. With Brexit, the UK will no longer be a member of Euratom: http://uk.businessinsider.com/brexit...at-risk-2018-3 * And then, there are the advantages of being part of the single market and customs union, which have boosted the British economy and job growth. We are talking about trillions of pounds, which is much more than the UK's contribution to the EU budget. Quote:
About cheap workers, it's the UK's fault. The Home Office has set a salary threshold for non-EU workers (£35,000). Which means that the Home Office can refuse to grant a visa or can deport workers earning too little (Albania is not an EU member). Then, you have cheap EU workers, and that's also the UK's fault. I see a lot of EU citizens working in England in the catering industry, and as nurses and builders. I guess those jobs are not attractive enough for a lot of Brits. And for highly skilled jobs like doctors, engineers and computer programmers, British companies recruit EU citizens because the training in the UK is not good enough and they therefore have a shortage. Not sure why you are complaining about the 3% turnover tax: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-a7941116.html Do you understand that it's to fight big corporations like Amazon, Google, Apple and Co. that are avoiding taxation? Unless you think tax avoidance is fine, even if it means less money for public services. Quote:
https://fullfact.org/europe/our-eu-m...ee-55-million/ The EU budget will be fine without the UK: Brussels will have to trim some programmes and possibly borrow from banks and financial institutions. But thanks for worrying. |
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The alternative for the UK is to diverge from EU laws and turn Brexit into a race to the bottom (i.e. fuck health and the environment, let's make plenty of money). To clarify, Barnier did not say that complying with EU environment laws was a sine qua non condition for a trade deal, but if the Brits reject those laws, they will only get a weak deal. The French, the Spaniards, the Italians are not interested in buying chlorinated chicken, hormone-injected beef and other substandard products. It may be good for the British economy but not for EU citizens. Quote:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diesel_emissions_scandal So I'm glad that Volkswagen had to pay a hefty fine. But keep in mind that pollution mostly remains local. If London produces a lot of pollution, the bulk of that pollution will remain around London. PM10 particles only travel 30 miles maximum, while PM2.5 particles can travel hundreds of miles: https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/what...-matter-551513 If pollution could spread evenly, then the UK would have the same pollution level everywhere, which is not the case. Air pollution in Cornwall is much lower than in London. Quote:
Go to page 80 for air pollution in Europe: http://apps.who.int/iris/bitstream/h...B75?sequence=1 |
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May 18th, 2018, 12:35 PM | #3644 |
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UK could remain in the EU but on worse terms, says Guy Verhofstadt. If Britain changes track and decides to remain a member of the European Union it could lose perks such as budget rebates and opt-outs, according to the European Parliament’s Brexit coordinator. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-a7790886.html So if the UK wanted to rejoin the EU it would have to submit an application for membership as if it were applying for the first time. That probably means signing up to the Schengen area on passport-free movement and, importantly, committing to joining the euro. It would also mean recommitting to the goal of “ever closer union”. |
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May 18th, 2018, 12:39 PM | #3645 |
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The UK's overall net contributions are even higher than those shown in the official EU budget. The UK also pays further amounts to the EU which are not formally included in the EU's budget, and which do not appear in any summaries you will read in the British media or in House of Commons Library report,eg administrative costs, co-funding of EU projects.
The new EU budget plan seeks to fill the roughly €12-15 billion annual hole left by Brexit (Budget Commissioner Gunther Oettinger), which is what UK has been paying in. http://www.money-go-round.eu/Country.aspx?id=UK The Commission has proposed changes to the current overall financing – “Own Resources” – system and diversifying the budget’s sources of revenue. The proposed new own resources include: 1)20 percent of the revenues from the Emissions Trading System 2)A 3 percent call rate applied to the new Common Consolidated Corporate Tax Base 3)A national contribution calculated on the amount of non-recycled plastic packaging waste in each country. These proposed taxes will disproportionally hit UK compared to other EU countries. https://www.politico.eu/article/eu-b...ramework-blog/ https://ec.europa.eu/commission/site...may2018_en.pdf The increase in GNI and the inrcease to 1.11% take of that GNI by the EU together with no rebate and the extra revenues means UK will be paying about £22 bn pa if we were to stay in the EU. |
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The EU is insisting on a "level playing field" as part of the Brexit negotiations. In other words it is trying to prevent the UK from operating as an independent country in all respects, with its own taxation policies and other frameworks which would make the UK a more competitive country than those in the EU.
What could be a more obvious lack of a level playing field than that of UK businesses being forced to compete with businesses in countries with a minimum wage being 1/5th that of the UK? That is the current situation whilst the UK is still in the EU. When the UK leaves, it will still have this un-level "playing field". In addition companies operating in one country can make royalty payments to parent companies overseas, enabling them to shift profits out of countries with higher corporation tax rates. In 2016 the EU Commission ruled that Ireland had given the US multinational Apple illegal state aid by allowing it to pay an effective 1 per cent corporation tax. “These practices undermine fairness and the level playing field in our internal market, and they increase the burden on EU taxpayers,” said EU tax commissioner Pierre Moscovici. Multinational companies shifted profits through Ireland – an accounting technique designed to avoid corporation tax - equivalent to almost a quarter of the country’s GDP between 2010 and 2015. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/b...-a8244456.html |
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So; more than two years after the referendum and fifteen months after the Article 50 declaration, there appears to be a plan for our negotiating position vis a vis the EU and Mr Barnier, whose silence during the last few weeks has been eloquent. I have to say I have no idea why this could not have been discussed and agreed a lot sooner than now, but this is where we are at.
A few points are immediately striking to me, the most significant one being that we are not leaving, merely forfeiting the advantages of membership in order to retain all of the disadvantages. Even at that, the notion that Britain can be in a "combined customs territory" and yet not subject to the authority of the ECJ, which is the arbiter of the rules, strikes me as very unlikely. Equally, Mrs May tried to propose that extra funding for the NHS would be paid for by a "Brexit dividend" - but membership of a customs union is fee-paying by nature, so the "Brexit dividend" will be so much hot air. If this model constitutes success for Mrs May, I hope we fail and have a hard Brexit with no agreement.
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For all the members of this forum who understand French, here is an example how French population was betrayes by their elites.
2005 : Quand les Francais ont dit non à l'Europe (2005: When the French said "No" to the UE) Both right and left liberal Presidents (Sarkozy and Hollande) have manipulated the laws to fuck the French Democracy. In fact French population was against the liberal and antisocial politics written in the new European Constitution. |
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