What annoys you the most ?

[9876543210]

cuzzyman927,

Originally Posted by cuzzyman927

It was the same for me, you had to write down every step in solving the math problem. Often times with some teachers even neatness counted.

Yup, same way for me. Every step documented and most teachers I had also thought neatness counted.

I cannot say if that sort of thing is also being permitted in other Towns and States, perhaps I will need to ask her.

It would be interesting to know what she says.

I'm trying to think if I know anybody teaching math any longer. I'm sure all my old instructors are retired (or gone) by now so they wouldn't be any help. Maybe my siblings kids. A couple of them are still in college.

I'll see what I can find out on my end. I can't imagine all students are now losing the ability to write with pen and paper.

[cuzzyman927]

Originally Posted by 9876543210

Yup, same way for me. Every step documented and most teachers I had also thought neatness counted.

It would be interesting to know what she says.

I'm trying to think if I know anybody teaching math any longer. I'm sure all my old instructors are retired (or gone) by now so they wouldn't be any help. Maybe my siblings kids. A couple of them are still in college.

I'll see what I can find out on my end. I can't imagine all students are now losing the ability to write with pen and paper.

I spoke with my cousin again. I gathered from what she had to say that other schools in other areas are also permitting and condoning calculators to be used in classrooms! But it is far worse than we had imagined ... not only are schools permitting calculators but they are also permitting cell phones having computer capability, which means that kids/students can also look up answers for multiple subjects, not only math!
It is being called "bring technology to school". Have you ever heard of anything so preposterous?
Technology does all the work and thinking for them while they continue learning nothing and become bigger dumbbells!

I wonder if this is the tip of the iceberg of some master plan to someday phase out classroom teachers and replace them with automated/computer means?
Schools would no longer need deal with teacher's salaries, raises, strikes, paid vacations, sick time, personal days, etc -- but I can foresee a lot of school closures and time off for kids due to those periodic computer glitches/problems, for which computers are notorious!

[9876543210]

cuzzyman927,

Originally Posted by cuzzyman927

I spoke with my cousin again. I gathered from what she had to say that other schools in other areas are also permitting and condoning calculators to be used in classrooms! But it is far worse than we had imagined ... not only are schools permitting calculators but they are also permitting cell phones having computer capability, which means that kids/students can also look up answers for multiple subjects, not only math!
It is being called "bring technology to school". Have you ever heard of anything so preposterous?
Technology does all the work and thinking for them while they continue learning nothing and become bigger dumbbells!

I wonder if this is the tip of the iceberg of some master plan to someday phase out classroom teachers and replace them with automated/computer means?
Schools would no longer need deal with teacher's salaries, raises, strikes, paid vacations, sick time, personal days, etc -- but I can foresee a lot of school closures and time off for kids due to those periodic computer glitches/problems, for which computers are notorious!

Pretty much out of the blue, my sister in law and her daughter showed up today pretty much as I was reading your post. So I asked the daughter about this.

She's a soph in collage at some Texas school (her parents live outside of Dallas). Basically, she said this depends. Some of her teachers allow calculators and some don't. Some want every step in a calculation shown while other instructors aren't so strict.

As far as writing is concerned, at least according to her, most writing classes are now done in kinder garten and 1st grade. Somewhere along the line all of the students are given Macbooks to use so everything they hand in is now digital. They're intention is to eventually go paperless and they're fairly close to that point now.

So, at least in the vicinity of Dallas, TX thats the point they're at.

[trailmaster]

No sense in crying over spilled milk. The intelligence of the average American citizen is coming to an end. It could end up as two possible scenarios that I read in science fiction novels and saw in science fiction movies. In one everyone had become so dependent on machines for doing everything over centuries, that people could no longer do even simple math by counting on their fingers. In the other machines had become so powerful that they took over as in The Matrix films. Of course this is all speculation, but it seems that our society is headed in that direction, but it probably won't happen for centuries.

[SanteeFats]

Originally Posted by trailmaster

No sense in crying over spilled milk. The intelligence of the average American citizen is coming to an end. It could end up as two possible scenarios that I read in science fiction novels and saw in science fiction movies. In one everyone had become so dependent on machines for doing everything over centuries, that people could no longer do even simple math by counting on their fingers. In the other machines had become so powerful that they took over as in The Matrix films. Of course this is all speculation, but it seems that our society is headed in that direction, but it probably won't happen for centuries.

Covered in 1969 by Zager and Evans song "In the Year 2525".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=izQB2-Kmiic

[old alal]

My neighbour who divests herself of clothes every evening, is moving. Now that is annoying!

[rosestone]

Originally Posted by MaxJoker

Because none of them paid for anything. Yet they all looked ridiculously well off. From their designer clothes, their fancy hair styles, to dripping in gold and having one ear on the latest IPone. Gawd , even their kids prams were swish.

A true story that I bore people with from time to time (like now). 'Bout 5 years I was working for a company that needed to take on some staff. 4 people needed, to just answer phones, read a 'script' and transfer calls.

My colleague was going to contact a recruitment agency, no no no I says, in my naivety, let's just contact the job centre. We just need people who can read, talk, and know how to turn on a computer, anyone'll do. Not bad pay, they can have flexi-hours if they like. So we get an employee, they get a job, and one less person on the dole. Everyone's a winner

So I call up the local job centre and have a bit of banter with the chap, and yes my good man, we'll take anyone, send us your next 4 unemployed, just need to be able to read and talk etc etc. I hang up and consider how I will have to ensure I avoid the adoring masses of the local unemployed desperate to hoist me aloft their shoulders as their saviour like a modern day Watt Tyler.

Then after a week and a half: nothing. Not a sausage. So I call up the same chap, and he says 'Oh, err, yeah, we.......don't have anyone suitable.' "No-one suitable"! He tried to tell me there was NO-ONE on the dole in the area who could, ya know, talk and read and wanted a job. Despite the queues I would see waiting for the job centre to open.

It's not his fault of course, it's the nature of it these days. Govt employees are given boxes they have to tick, and they're so afeart that they'll lose their job if they actually DO anything. They can't be flexible at all.

A mate of mine was unemployed for a few months recently, and he did a contrast: now when he went to the job centre he had a meeting with a 'job advisor', and when he asked them to help him find a job, they looked at him like he had a screw loose. When he was 18 (late 90s), he'd walked into the job centre, and within 2 minutes a member of staff had talked to him, got on the blower, found him employment, and he started the next day.

It's mental.

[Wendigo]

Originally Posted by rosestone

A mate of mine was unemployed for a few months recently, and he did a contrast: now when he went to the job centre he had a meeting with a 'job advisor', and when he asked them to help him find a job, they looked at him like he had a screw loose. When he was 18 (late 90s), he'd walked into the job centre, and within 2 minutes a member of staff had talked to him, got on the blower, found him employment, and he started the next day.

It's mental.

It sure is they call them "Job Centre +" now
My experience of them is sheer bureaucratic idiocy, when I was made redundant a few years back they did bugger all as regards helping me find a job, they basically checked I was looking and when satisfied I had done the work that the old Job Centre staff did they will agree my next small payment. I got a lead about some possible jobs going and asked if the knew, they of course knew bugger all so I rang the place up direct and 7 years later am still working there.

The last time I was in a Job Centre was in the late 70's, there were lots of jobs on offer, the staff talked to you as you were looking and tried to help.

Present day Job Centre+ staff appear to be at best mindless drones chosen for their inability to think outside the scope of the tick boxes they are trained to complete.

Echoing the immortal words of Harold Shand "Job Centre+ staff, I've shat 'em"

[rosestone]

Originally Posted by Wendigo

It sure is they call them "Job Centre +" now
My experience of them is sheer bureaucratic idiocy, when I was made redundant a few years back they did bugger all as regards helping me find a job, they basically checked I was looking and when satisfied I had done the work that the old Job Centre staff did they will agree my next small payment. I got a lead about some possible jobs going and asked if the knew, they of course knew bugger all so I rang the place up direct and 7 years later am still working there.

That's pretty much exactly what my friend said - all they're interested in is 'can I tick this box that says the person has done the minimum required to receive the dole', not 'I should help this guy find a job'. He said that when he asked them to help him find work, they really did look at him a bit funny, as if to say 'I'm just a job advisor with job centre plus, it's not my job to help you find a job'

And then when he DID find a job, it was with the local council, and, exactly the same as your experience, he found the job himself. Apparently the council don't tell the job centre about positions vacant. Or if they do, the job centre don't see fit to share the information with unemployed people.

[Hertz]

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