Current or modern politics in the United States

[Decadence]

I think this sort of thing comes with job.. even the likes of FDR had his indiscretions..

Clinton gets extra grief, IMO, due to his activities as governor of Arkansas. There are some who have (perhaps rightly so) referred to him as a sexual predator. Affairs are one thing, accusations of rape, assault, and harassment are quite another. Just on a whim, I did a quick search and there is a Wiki page dedicated to his "misconduct". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_C...ct_allegations

Scounds: I recall you once mentioned that if given the chance, you'd do Sarah Palin. After careful consideration, I believe I would too-- a la the Kobi-Bryant-bent-over-the-back-of-the-sofa method.

[deepsepia]

Originally Posted by scoundrel

I admit I felt rather touched by how much this meant to his wife; how reassured she felt when she could see that her husband was wearing her ring. WW2 was a very unfair test both for the GIs sent to Europe and for the wives left behind. The "Dear John" letter was feared and dreaded by the married GIs and many received it; but many others passed the test and came home to a love they could really depend on, knowing that their wife or sweetheart had waited.

The records of the US Army Medical Corps record that in the European Theater, venereal disease was a massive cause of non combat "injury". Naples was particularly notorious, and units could "go missing" as they transited cities with brothels, or available amateurs.

Married US soldiers rarely took up up with locals with the thought of divorcing their wives back home . . . but they were away a long time, and they surely did go looking for girls.

We don't really know what the relationship between Dwight Eisenhower and Kay Summersby was; seems likely that it was "more than cordial". All of the involved were grownups, decent people with a sense of propriety. Other than a ghostwritten deathbed memoir, Summersby said nothing about it

This is how decent people behave. They'll have sex, sometimes with people they're not married to, and no one will make a Federal case out of it . ..

[scoundrel]

Originally Posted by Decadence

I think this sort of thing comes with job.. even the likes of FDR had his indiscretions..

It isn't universal but it is so usual that it really doesn't warrant anyone considering it to even be a scandal; unless the politician makes a huge parade of his "family values" and is then caught having sex with a sheep.

Originally Posted by Decadence

Clinton gets extra grief, IMO, due to his activities as governor of Arkansas. There are some who have (perhaps rightly so) referred to him as a sexual predator. Affairs are one thing, accusations of rape, assault, and harassment are quite another. Just on a whim, I did a quick search and there is a Wiki page dedicated to his "misconduct". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_C...ct_allegations

If there was any suggestion that Mr Clinton's liason with Monica Lewinsky was at all non-consual, then we would be in extremely different territory. That's a crime, and we all know what the crime is called. But there never was any such suggestion concerning Miss Lewinsky. However, it is all of a piece. I remember the Gennifer Flowers story also. The man was/is a goat and quite easy to despise. My concern in the Lewinsky story was only for her; I think she was a very silly girl but that she was really really badly done to and I sympathise with her. Mr Clinton himself is a louse and a heel; but that doesn't really make him stand out from the human male population at large.

Originally Posted by Decadence

Scounds: I recall you once mentioned that if given the chance, you'd do Sarah Palin. After careful consideration, I believe I would too-- a la the Kobi-Bryant-bent-over-the-back-of-the-sofa method.

I'm not proud of it......but even though she's lost condition since 2008 and I strongly suspect her of being a secret drinker[judging by recent speeches which can only make sense on this basis] I still would. I'd need ear-plugs; if she starts talking dirty I suspect I would be extremely shocked.

[deepsepia]

Originally Posted by scoundrel

If there was any suggestion that Mr Clinton's liason with Monica Lewinsky was at all non-consual, then we would be in extremely different territory. That's a crime, and we all know what the crime is called. But there never was any such suggestion concerning Miss Lewinsky. However, it is all of a piece. I remember the Gennifer Flowers story also. The man was/is a goat and quite easy to despise. My concern in the Lewinsky story was only for her; I think she was a very silly girl but that she was really really badly done to and I sympathise with her. Mr Clinton himself is a louse and a heel; but that doesn't really make him stand out from the human male population at large.

She wanted the President of the United States, he wanted her. She turned out to have the world's worst confidante --Linda Tripp-- who dialed up the world's worst leering fat middle aged shitbag of a prosecutor, who having failed in his assigned duties, decided that now he was doing blowjobs and semen stains.

Speaking of which, the very funny Bill Burr has a wonderful bit on Arnold Schwarzenegger's dalliance . . . made me laugh out loud.

"Arnold Schwarzenegger: a great Man"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ldIwEG9xQ-M

[9876543210]

SanteeFats,

Originally Posted by SanteeFats

Well I take great comfort in the fact that I am a 10%er. Never even thought of cheating.

Well, if thats true, then I have to congratulate you because its so rare.

Been a while since I looked, but the last time I looked somewhere in the vicinity of 50% of first time marriages are done within a few years. And something like 75% of second and third marriages only last a few years.

When I look around at all the people I know who've been married (since high school or so) I could probably count the ones who are still married on one hand. And those marriages almost always die because one or the other becomes bored.

None of this info is new. I'm sure you've read the same statistics. So finding someone who is true to their spouse for a lifetime is, today, almost unheard of.

I know I could never do that (which is why I never married).

[9876543210]

Mal Hombre,

Originally Posted by Mal Hombre

Robert Mitchum Apparently,But certainly neither of the sainted Kennedys...

Robert Mitchum turned down Marilyn Monroe? Really? I think I'll have to call bs. He probably had his wife right behind him breathing down his neck with a shiv at his back.

So he probably did the same as Clinton. Lied to save the marriage or not wind up dead later in the day.

[SanteeFats]

Originally Posted by 9876543210

SanteeFats,



Well, if thats true, then I have to congratulate you because its so rare.

Been a while since I looked, but the last time I looked somewhere in the vicinity of 50% of first time marriages are done within a few years. And something like 75% of second and third marriages only last a few years.

When I look around at all the people I know who've been married (since high school or so) I could probably count the ones who are still married on one hand. And those marriages almost always die because one or the other becomes bored.

None of this info is new. I'm sure you've read the same statistics. So finding someone who is true to their spouse for a lifetime is, today, almost unheard of.

I know I could never do that (which is why I never married).

Well it isn't that glorious a thing, we lived together (gasp) for 2 years, married for ten and then she wanted out.
Anyone reading this post needs to sit down for this next part. The divorce finaled June 1990. I have been celibate, by choice, since then. I take my oaths very seriously and til death was part of it and she ain't dead yet.
How seriously I take oath giving may be why I have so much of a problem with Clinton and others who fore swear themselves.

[Arturo2nd]

Originally Posted by SanteeFats

Well it isn't that glorious a thing, we lived together (gasp) for 2 years, married for ten and then she wanted out.
Anyone reading this post needs to sit down for this next part. The divorce finaled June 1990. I have been celibate, by choice, since then. I take my oaths very seriously and til death was part of it and she ain't dead yet.
How seriously I take oath giving may be why I have so much of a problem with Clinton and others who fore swear themselves.

Gee, I kind of wish I had the same attitude. In similar circumstances, I felt like I had been let off the reservation. Being fairly well heeled in ny late forties, there was ample opportunity to bed a variety of divorcees seeking to secure a new hostage before their charms eroded all together. One does discover rather quickly why these ladies were on the loose. Sadly, I fell in with a particularly attractive and sexually adventurous sort, who was also wildly profligate. Throw in some financial reverses and I retired from the lists in reduced circumstance and with two strains of genital herpes.

Too late I learned that it is much cheaper to rent p*ssy by the hour.

[9876543210]

SanteeFats,

Originally Posted by SanteeFats

Well it isn't that glorious a thing, we lived together (gasp) for 2 years, married for ten and then she wanted out.

Today, that would be pretty much standard. I've never sat down to figure out the average marriage length (I'm sure others have) but that seven year itch thing seems fairly good.

Anyone reading this post needs to sit down for this next part. The divorce finaled June 1990. I have been celibate, by choice, since then. I take my oaths very seriously and til death was part of it and she ain't dead yet.
How seriously I take oath giving may be why I have so much of a problem with Clinton and others who fore swear themselves.

Celibate since 1990???????? OMG! I can't even imagine that.

Santee, you really, really need to get out. I can understand the idea of keeping an oath but it seems to me that oath was vacated at the time of the divorce.

Nothing since 1990? Not even a hooker or two? I'm sorry man, I just can't even imagine that.

[trailmaster]

Why can't election day be made a holiday like it is in most other nations? If it was made a holiday then I think there would be much greater voter turnout.