bring back hanging yes or no? - Page 7

**Mal Hombre** · August 5th, 2011, 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by palo5

The back of the neck is 'less messy' from I've heard, but I don't know if it's true

Maybe it is cultural

A NKVD specialty,No firing squad required.

**palo5** · August 5th, 2011, 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Mal Hombre

A NKVD specialty,No firing squad required.

It was the same even much later. If you know other methods, you know more than me

Russia has not used execution for many years, in case anyone doesn't know

**1952224** · August 5th, 2011, 09:30 PM

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Originally Posted by palo5

It was the same even much later. If you know other methods, you know more than me

Russia has not used execution for many years, in case anyone doesn't know

not legally at least

**billybunter** · August 5th, 2011, 09:53 PM

I do not pretend to understand the grief a serial killer inflicts on their victims families. I've seen a lot of death in my life. But just killing a guilty person is not the answer. They should be made to suffer for the rest of their days, by having their freedoms taken. I know this quiet often doesn't happen. We should lead the way by not going down the revenge route.

**Office Boy** · August 5th, 2011, 10:10 PM

1996 was the last time a death sentence was commuted in Russia. However, in 1994. Andrei Chikatilo was executed then via one bullet to the back of the head. He had already been in prison before, but even after his release, he committed more murders. 53 proven in all from 1978 to 1990. And apparently, there could have been more. The youngest was aged 7 and the eldest 45. It all makes very grim and grisly reading.

I doubt if you'll get hanging back in Britain or any form of death penalty. Though I'd like to see it debated. Yes there has been miscarriages of justice, but try saying to the parents of someone who has been murdered, that his killer doesn't deserve to die. How can you present a case, for when that life was taken prematurely, the killer wasn't thinking of the consequences then was he?

I believe no government-not just this one but the previous one as well, would not want the responsibility and did not want the responsibility of being the party/government that would re-enact this. It would be a similar scenario to the George Galloway & Tony Blair,'You've got blood on your hands thing,' which came about in the last governments time on the Iraq war.

When there is no doubt that a murder has taken place and the killer is caught and convicted, then he should die. If there is doubt, then a minimum sentence should be mandatory. But if a judge passes a life sentence, then it should mean life without a chance of parole. That person has taken anothers right to live, so it is correct to insist, if he cannot die, then he must serve a life sentence because his victim can never return. And he too, must lose his right to freedom because of the crime he committed. More so if it is more than one killing.

But I think the way things are at present with all the scandal that is going on now, it is a case of trust no one and cover your own tracks. Something this current and past governments have failed to do as they thought themselves above the law. We have been promised referendums in the past, only to see them pushed to one side despite what we've been told. I'm sure the politicians and the House of Lords are aware that public opinion would be likely to go against them. That is why it won't happen.

**Wendigo** · August 5th, 2011, 10:50 PM

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Originally Posted by office boy

I doubt if you'll get hanging back in Britain or any form of death penalty. Though I'd like to see it debated. Yes there has been miscarriages of justice, but try saying to the parents of someone who has been murdered, that his killer doesn't deserve to die. How can you present a case, for when that life was taken prematurely, the killer wasn't thinking of the consequences then was he?

The flipside of that is try telling the family of an innocent person who has been hanged that it was for the benefit of others.

Hanging no - life in prison for pre-meditated murder with no extenuating circumstances, hell yes!!!!
Maybe we should have a debate as to why it appears to be too easy for thugs to get parole maybe a few parole board officials need sacking with no cushy pension benefits. If in doubt say no.

**otokonomidori** · August 5th, 2011, 11:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Achjay

I'll even do it for them!

Hang yourself?

iowadale · August 6th, 2011, 12:14 AM

I think that they should be put to death they EXACT way they killed the victim!

**otokonomidori** · August 6th, 2011, 12:32 AM

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Originally Posted by iowadale

I think that they should be put to death they EXACT way they killed the victim!

Easy enough to say but where would you get someone sick enough in the head to do the deed?

No I think I prefer the current arrangements - at least if the convicted person has been fitted up by the law you can give him a couple of quid from the till for his trouble and let him go whereas a fat lot of good a posthumous pardon ever did anyone.

**cuzzyman927** · August 6th, 2011, 12:43 AM

As for here in the US, I feel that Capital Punishment and the death penalty for proven murderers are warranted and necessary. As brother member "Fan" pointed out, in this day and age of video surveillance, DNA technology, and forensics, proving guilt beyond a reasonable doubt before administering the death penalty is not only too much to ask, but those tools/aids have also made it much easier, more trustworthy, and more indisputable. I say leave the form of execution up to the discretion of the individual States ... whether it be toasting their nuts in the electric chair, or by the gas chamber, or even by firing squad.

Those opposed to the death penalty generally come walking away with a different opinion and point of view, and usually change their tune when it is one of their family members or a close friend who is killed/murdered. In addition, it is much more economical to execute some guilty heartless, scumbag murderer than to imprison him/her ... why should we, the taxpayers, pay to clothe, feed, and foot the bill for some heartless, scumbag murderer serving a prison sentence of 25 years to life! The country has much better things that they could be doing with that money!

Perhaps we need to be more like some other countries who practice something similar to "an eye for an eye" form of justice. Should someone be found guilty of stealing they chop off their fingers; a second offense then the hand; should there be a third then they start with the other hand!
If someone is found guilty of rape the degenerate is castrated! Murderers found guilty are executed by firing squad!
It may seem quite barbaric, but I have no doubt and would be willing to bet that those countries have a very low crime rate.

Crime, murders, etc. are running rampant and out of control here in the US, and our justice system lets many of the offenders off with basically a slap on the wrist. I often feel that many criminals actually look forward and are happy to be in prison and being incarcerated ... it is a way for them to receive free room and board. Many of our prisons are currently filled with remorseless multiple-offense murderers/killers serving 25-to-life terms that we are footing the bill for -- and the key word is "remorseless" -- some of which who "unfortunately" get paroled to go out and murder some other poor unfortunate victim! The US justice system at times is downright frightening -- and I don't know how some parole board members can sleep at night!

August 5th, 2011, 09:53 PM	#64
billybunter R.I.P. Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Gone But Not Forgotten Posts: 14,404 Thanks: 51,687 Thanked 252,369 Times in 14,171 Posts	I do not pretend to understand the grief a serial killer inflicts on their victims families. I've seen a lot of death in my life. But just killing a guilty person is not the answer. They should be made to suffer for the rest of their days, by having their freedoms taken. I know this quiet often doesn't happen. We should lead the way by not going down the revenge route. __________________ To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

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Office Boy Former Staff Join Date: May 2008 Location: in the office upstairs Posts: 1,415 Thanks: 6,048 Thanked 40,263 Times in 1,357 Posts	1996 was the last time a death sentence was commuted in Russia. However, in 1994. Andrei Chikatilo was executed then via one bullet to the back of the head. He had already been in prison before, but even after his release, he committed more murders. 53 proven in all from 1978 to 1990. And apparently, there could have been more. The youngest was aged 7 and the eldest 45. It all makes very grim and grisly reading. I doubt if you'll get hanging back in Britain or any form of death penalty. Though I'd like to see it debated. Yes there has been miscarriages of justice, but try saying to the parents of someone who has been murdered, that his killer doesn't deserve to die. How can you present a case, for when that life was taken prematurely, the killer wasn't thinking of the consequences then was he? I believe no government-not just this one but the previous one as well, would not want the responsibility and did not want the responsibility of being the party/government that would re-enact this. It would be a similar scenario to the George Galloway & Tony Blair,'You've got blood on your hands thing,' which came about in the last governments time on the Iraq war. When there is no doubt that a murder has taken place and the killer is caught and convicted, then he should die. If there is doubt, then a minimum sentence should be mandatory. But if a judge passes a life sentence, then it should mean life without a chance of parole. That person has taken anothers right to live, so it is correct to insist, if he cannot die, then he must serve a life sentence because his victim can never return. And he too, must lose his right to freedom because of the crime he committed. More so if it is more than one killing. But I think the way things are at present with all the scandal that is going on now, it is a case of trust no one and cover your own tracks. Something this current and past governments have failed to do as they thought themselves above the law. We have been promised referendums in the past, only to see them pushed to one side despite what we've been told. I'm sure the politicians and the House of Lords are aware that public opinion would be likely to go against them. That is why it won't happen. __________________ DON'T TREAD ON ME.

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August 6th, 2011, 12:14 AM	#68
iowadale Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 3 Thanks: 3 Thanked 4 Times in 2 Posts	I think that they should be put to death they EXACT way they killed the victim!

August 6th, 2011, 12:43 AM	#70
cuzzyman927 Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Down at the "Y" Posts: 33,073 Thanks: 390,390 Thanked 1,111,292 Times in 36,682 Posts	As for here in the US, I feel that Capital Punishment and the death penalty for proven murderers are warranted and necessary. As brother member "Fan" pointed out, in this day and age of video surveillance, DNA technology, and forensics, proving guilt beyond a reasonable doubt before administering the death penalty is not only too much to ask, but those tools/aids have also made it much easier, more trustworthy, and more indisputable. I say leave the form of execution up to the discretion of the individual States ... whether it be toasting their nuts in the electric chair, or by the gas chamber, or even by firing squad. Those opposed to the death penalty generally come walking away with a different opinion and point of view, and usually change their tune when it is one of their family members or a close friend who is killed/murdered. In addition, it is much more economical to execute some guilty heartless, scumbag murderer than to imprison him/her ... why should we, the taxpayers, pay to clothe, feed, and foot the bill for some heartless, scumbag murderer serving a prison sentence of 25 years to life! The country has much better things that they could be doing with that money! Perhaps we need to be more like some other countries who practice something similar to "an eye for an eye" form of justice. Should someone be found guilty of stealing they chop off their fingers; a second offense then the hand; should there be a third then they start with the other hand! If someone is found guilty of rape the degenerate is castrated! Murderers found guilty are executed by firing squad! It may seem quite barbaric, but I have no doubt and would be willing to bet that those countries have a very low crime rate. Crime, murders, etc. are running rampant and out of control here in the US, and our justice system lets many of the offenders off with basically a slap on the wrist. I often feel that many criminals actually look forward and are happy to be in prison and being incarcerated ... it is a way for them to receive free room and board. Many of our prisons are currently filled with remorseless multiple-offense murderers/killers serving 25-to-life terms that we are footing the bill for -- and the key word is "remorseless" -- some of which who "unfortunately" get paroled to go out and murder some other poor unfortunate victim! The US justice system at times is downright frightening -- and I don't know how some parole board members can sleep at night!