Holly Madison

[Count Dooku]

Originally Posted by RLWeed947040

@ Count Dooku you might want to check your December issues from the 1990's, As it stands to reason Barbara Moore is "Not Miss December, 1998", she is in Fact Miss December, 1992, December, 1998 was reserved for the Dahm Triplets: Erica, Nicole, & Jaclyn Dahm all three were named Misses December, 1998.

Yeah, you're right, I did not write the list, I don't remember how I came into its possession but I remember that the source was to be trusted.

I do not have any issues of the 90s, in the country where I was living back then, Playboy was banned and its acquisition landed people in jail.

As I said earlier, unless you slept with a name on the list, it is a very difficult verification.
But one thing is sure, these girls were promiscuous, they had no problem with their sexuality, I remember Katie Vernola saying she had the boob job the next day after turning 18. The problem with Playboy is the fantasies that Hefner created, just like Star Wars, for a Star Wars fan, Princess Leia is the ultimate model in beauty and chastity (hence her white dresses), the same thing goes for playmates, and what helped that fantasy was that most of the readers came from a religious or repressed background, hence the "I hid it under the bed" story, and these people projected their vision of the perfect women on the playmates.

Anyway, seeing the latest issue, it looks like they are begging for people to stay.

[keats]

Originally Posted by Count Dooku

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As I said earlier, unless you slept with a name on the list, it is a very difficult verification.
But one thing is sure, these girls were promiscuous, they had no problem with their sexuality, I remember Katie Vernola saying she had the boob job the next day after turning 18. The problem with Playboy is the fantasies that Hefner created, just like Star Wars, for a Star Wars fan, Princess Leia is the ultimate model in beauty and chastity (hence her white dresses), the same thing goes for playmates, and what helped that fantasy was that most of the readers came from a religious or repressed background, hence the "I hid it under the bed" story, and these people projected their vision of the perfect women on the playmates.
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This gets to the heart of this discussion. While it's obvious that the 800 pl@ym@tes represent the whole range of human sexuality, it's problem that, given the mileu of work and the nature of the business, many and perhaps most were activily sexual beings. It's also obvious the the sucess of the Pl@tm@te brand is firmly rooted in fantasy. I'm all for fantasy, but the problem is when people begin to mix the fantasy with reality. There's a certain power in claiming one knows this and that about a particular girl, but as you said, it's impossible to verify such facts: if you actually participated, hopefully you're enough of gentleman to keep your mouth shut; if you have no direct experience than anything claimed is merely gossip.

[bigG300]

Originally Posted by Count Dooku

I have acquired a list from a newsgroup that was called rogue playmates.

Of course, it is impossible (at least for me) to verify it, maybe some of you can give their insights, it is old and dated to 2011.
It is not my intent to insult these ladies and mods can delete it if it is against the rules, but I find hard times to believe that these ladies that many people hold them in deity status, I knew many people that lost marriages, wives and money because of their addiction to them, imagine your reaction when you find them working as escorts

Rouge Playmates meant they showed pussy not escorted

[Count Dooku]

Originally Posted by bigG300

Rouge Playmates meant they showed pussy not escorted

Sadly the group is now gone, but there was pictures alongside the list I mentioned. I still have it (at least hope so) on some DVD or Blu-ray disc.

I even remember many playmates bragging about having sex with their celebrity crushes, Miss August 2005, or even an unnamed big shot losing his erection with her (Miss August 1998).

[boobman215]

Originally Posted by Marialva

If that is true, and probably is, then Donna Edmondson lost her virginity with Hef, which is a shame.

Given how many things related to PB have turned out to be smoke and mirrors, it makes you wonder if all their hype of Donna as the “virgin PM” was just BS. A shame if that is true, as she seemed to be the modern personification of the girl next door type.

[SexObjex]

Donna got out of the game at the right time. She worked hard for her privacy and she is absolutely entitled to it. She doesn't deserve people like us speculating on her bedroom activities.

I do think the "virgin PM" thing was a shrewd bit of marketing that came from a funny facetious comment she made when she was shooting her pictorial. And everyone ran with it because they wanted to believe it. From there, Hef and Playboy had no choice but to pick Donna as PMOY. She didn't need to fuck Hef to get PMOY. The mythology surrounding her was enough. Playboy first and foremost was in business to sell magazines, and Donna and her mystique was already moving thousands of copies.

[SandyJohnson]

Originally Posted by SexObjex

Donna got out of the game at the right time. She worked hard for her privacy and she is absolutely entitled to it. She doesn't deserve people like us speculating on her bedroom activities.

I do think the "virgin PM" thing was a shrewd bit of marketing that came from a funny facetious comment she made when she was shooting her pictorial. And everyone ran with it because they wanted to believe it.

It reminds me of a line from the movie "Hot Shots":

He: "So I take it you've been with a man before?"
She: "I'm a virgin. I'm just not very good at it."

[Bill McNeal]

It's a shame we're still litigating Donna's purity when she took so much heat over it during her PMOY circuit. She was treated horribly at the time and has always been clear in interviews well past the furor that she was waiting and had waited for marriage.

I'm sure I'll be called an "incel" for not slackjawedly following the Approved Narrative, but people are so quick to ascribe bad motives to Hef that others are taking collateral damage.

[boobman215]

Originally Posted by Bill McNeal

It's a shame we're still litigating Donna's purity when she took so much heat over it during her PMOY circuit. She was treated horribly at the time and has always been clear in interviews well past the furor that she was waiting and had waited for marriage.

I'm sure I'll be called an "incel" for not slackjawedly following the Approved Narrative, but people are so quick to ascribe bad motives to Hef that others are taking collateral damage.

How was she treated horribly? It’s certainly possible her story as told in the magazine was true. But the tendency of PB to spin narratives about the girls has me questioning everything in hindsight.

[Bill McNeal]

Originally Posted by boobman215

How was she treated horribly? It’s certainly possible her story as told in the magazine was true. But the tendency of PB to spin narratives about the girls has me questioning everything in hindsight.

Donna has her own discussion thread here if you'd like to investigate.