Communism. Good or bad. What do you really know about Communism?

[Arturo2nd]

Originally Posted by Estreeter

I can say a lot

If I were a billionaire 20 times over, I'd share my wealth but with those who deserve it, I'll be damned if I gave it away for some equality or fairness ideas I'd rather burn it than give it away for that belief. Charities and worthwhile causes for sure would be looked after also ... Oh, and I would push the tax laws to absolute limit, I couldn't care less if my legal team charged me more than what my tax bill would have been , as long as the Government don't get to waste it I'm happy

You should move to the United States where we have the best politicians money can buy. You would be happy to pay your taxes then.

[SanteeFats]

Ah I ain't posting here no more. xyzde69 will never admit any one who does not agree with him and his viewpoint(s) is right and he is wrong. This has become an endevour in fruitless verbage not an exchange of opinions.
I think the militants are more rational.

[Estreeter]

Originally Posted by bowlinggreen

I'm trying to figure out where you get the term Judeo Bolshevism.

Some intellectual professor historian theoretical wanker

Originally Posted by bowlinggreen

And even so, less Japanese died from the nukes then would have died if we had to launch a conventional invasion of the Japanese Home Islands.

Kind of what I said, we'd never know since it never happened, though you can bet my fat capitalist ass it would be the case.

Originally Posted by Brian249x

You should move to the United States where we have the best politicians money can buy. You would be happy to pay your taxes then.

Deal "President E"

Originally Posted by SanteeFats

Ah I ain't posting here no more. xyzde69 will never admit any one who does not agree with him and his viewpoint(s) is right and he is wrong.

Mate, you're gonna miss the hypocrisy between threads I've seen

[Roubignol]

Originally Posted by bowlinggreen

I'm trying to figure out where you get the term Judeo Bolshevism. Some of the old-guard Bolsheviks were what you would call ethnic Jews (like Trotsky), but they were actually trying knock out traditional Jewish culture and replace it with Communism. And later, under Stalin and beyond, things got a lot worse for the Jews. Stalin actually had Trotsky killed years after he fled the USSR.

Your term "Judeo-Bolshevism" sounds like an anti-Semitic conspiracy term, as though all of the Jews were in on it. They weren't.

It's not my term.

After October 1917 Judeo Bolchevism myth was developped by the "White Russians" (Russians who fought the revolution).

Here is a painting describing "Judeo Bolchevism".

Originally Posted by Estreeter

Some intellectual professor historian theoretical wanker

It's not because you are not interested to open a book that you have to blame people interested by a large pannel of opinions.

Originally Posted by Estreeter

Mate, you're gonna miss the hypocrisy between threads I've seen

As you, pretending admiring, "the Boss" ?

I'd like to watch him reading your comments.

Originally Posted by Estreeter

Umm, do you know what the difference is
Japan started it,
Japan was given it's demand to unconditional surrender
Japan refused to surrender

I blame Japan

Even American Generals Eisenhower and Mac Arthur were against to use the nuclear bombs on Japanese people.

[Mal Hombre]

It is an unique feature of the Russian Civil War,That both sides were almost equally reprehensible.The Whites however were notably antisemitic,So to use a term coined by Antisemites that was taken up by the Nazis is ill advised.

[Roubignol]

Originally Posted by Mal Hombre

It is an unique feature of the Russian Civil War,That both sides were almost equally reprehensible.The Whites however were notably antisemitic,So to use a term coined by Antisemites that was taken up by the Nazis is ill advised.

That's the problem of the anti-communist propaganda.

Capitalism until the end of WWII, highly contributed to help the most antisemitic system.

By the way:

The Abandonment of the Jews: America and the Holocaust 1941-1945

During the Holocaust, antisemitism was a factor that limited American Jewish action during the war, and put American Jews in a difficult position. It is clear that antisemitism was a prevalent attitude in the US, which was especially convenient for America during the Holocaust. In the United States, antisemitism, which reached high levels in the late 1930s, continued to rise in the 1940s. During the years before Pearl Harbor, over a hundred antisemitic organizations were responsible for pumping hate propaganda throughout the American public. Furthermore, especially in New York City and Boston, young gangs vandalized Jewish cemeteries and synagogues, and attacks on Jewish youngsters were common. Swastikas and anti-Jewish slogans, as well as antisemitic literature were spread.

Solzhenitsyn who was considered as a hero by the Capitalist propaganda during the 70's... finally put one more thorn in the foot of the Capitalist fans when he wrote his book ( Two Hundred Years Together) about the influence of the Jews during Russian revolution and Sovietism.

[Estreeter]

Originally Posted by xyzde69

It's not because you are not interested to open a book that you have to blame people interested by a large pannel of opinions.

Why on Earth would I want to open a book that will praise a failed system that actually physically harmed my own family members, Capitalism never did that to my family. If I did open one I'd either spit on it or tear out the page and use it as dunny paper

Originally Posted by xyzde69

As you, pretending admiring, "the Boss" ?

I'd like to watch him reading your comments.

Didn't I state earlier in this thread that I do have some left views, I haven't got a one track mind on normal left and right views.

Originally Posted by xyzde69

Even American Generals Eisenhower and Mac Arthur were against to use the nuclear bombs on Japanese people.

They're soldiers like anyone else in the Military, follow orders from above, wasn't for Mac to decide to use it, I'm sure Truman didn't make his choice lightly to use them, I wonder if the Soviets had Nukes first if they'd have used them on Berlin or if the Germans had them first if they'd used them on Moscow Who knows I know where I'd lay my money if I could bet on it

Anyway, I'm gonna keep laughing at the hypocrisy of your thoughts while you continue to enjoy the many benefits the United States has provided you without you even knowing it Hmmm, 6th of June 1944 come to mind for starters.

And, you still never answered how in one thread you want the world free of money and yet in this one it's share the wealth


I'm gonna log off soon, shower using my gas fired water heater with the gas fired central heating running to heat the whole house, shave with an electric razor, then I'm off for a drive in my V8 Ford to the other side of Melbourne and then out to dinner, Mmmmm, dead cow for dinner tonight

Cheers Mate

[Brecht]

Originally Posted by Estreeter

Why on Earth would I want to open a book that will praise a failed system that actually physically harmed my own family members, Capitalism never did that to my family. If I did open one I'd either spit on it or tear out the page and use it as dunny paper

So your anti-communist stance is personal? Perhaps you'd like to tell us why your family members suffered at the hands of communists?

Could this be related to staying loyal to this guy until the very end? Just a week ago, we had another gathering of his fans in Bleiburg (south of Austria). They claim to only commemorate those killed members of the fascist Ustashe (and other fascist troops like the Serbian Chetniks or the Slovene Home Guard) but if that's really true, why do they show up dressed like the above mentioned guy's soldiers? They love to talk about the evil communists and what they did to their family members.

But I'd say that criticism of a philosophical and economic school of thought cannot be legitimate if it's driven by personal motives. As someone who thinks that capitalism doesn't work in the interest of the future of mankind, I also wouldn't accept criticism of capitalism from someone who attacks it just because it harmed him personally. We don't live in truly capitalist societies. We're still what experts call "mixed economies" but the current tendency leads to more market liberation, the actual goal of "true" capitalism and it's making our lives worse.

Make two comparisons: Denmark vs the US. Denmark is one of the best examples of a mixed economy, while I think it's safe to say that no other Western country comes closer to a capitalist free market economy than the USA, yet it's still not a real free market economy of course. Denmark is a small country with one of the best social systems in the world and one of the highest living standards as well. Now compared to Denmark, the US is almost the third world. The largest income gaps are to find in the US. No other Western country has so much power and wealth concentrated in the hands of just a handful of people.

You were fortunate to grow up and start working in an era when the state took care of its economy. It was a time when Australia pretty much resembled countries like Denmark. But present generations won't enjoy the same privileges. There was a time when people worked in a company for 20 years or till retirement. Today you're lucky if you can keep your job for two years.

[Estreeter]

Originally Posted by Brecht

So your anti-communist stance is personal? Perhaps you'd like to tell us why your family members suffered at the hands of communists?

Thought I did earlier in this thread, and yes it is both personal and a firm belief.
You know I rarely get involved in politics on this forum, except this one,

Originally Posted by Brecht

Could this be related to staying loyal to this guy until the very end?

Somewhat,

I'll repeat the story, only in whole this time
My cousin who I never met, born 23 years before me, I'm told was a loud mouth by those who knew him, didn't know how to shut up. His Dad, my oldest uncle was shot and killed by the Partisans. Certain members of my family were Ustasa soldiers, that particular Uncle wasn't.

My cousin would often get drunk and start on his anti communist and anti Yugoslavia rants, usually in cafe's. He was warned by the state police and beaten badly while detained for a month. Once released he apparently quietened down a lot, and this is from what I'm told I'll add. Fast forward 3 years after behaving himself he wanted to attend a family members wedding but needed a passport, that was denied so he started again with his anti commie rants only this time he did something else. At a cafe again, ripped down a picture of Tito, placed it on the floor, got up on a table and pissed on it.
The next day he was paid a visit by the police, was taken away, never seen again though according to the police he was released Thats the actions of a moderate commie state.

That's my personal hatred of it.

My actual beliefs stem form that, it offers little in actual freedom when applied for real, xyzde stated that The Boss would laugh at some of my comments on here, true he probably wouldn't agree with some views, but reading his own words in his autobiography, he stood by the Berlin wall and called it an offence to humanity.

I like the idea that one can do what they like to make themselves a success and self reliant with hard work under capitalism. I could not care less if living 2 doors down from me was a billionaire and across the road someone living just above the poverty line.

Trust me on this, I'm all for the rich helping out those less fortunate, but Im dead against the rich bailing out the poor to make things equal, the way I look at it is if the rich always did that those who are poor might just want to rely on handouts, that I won't stand for, it offers nothing but a form welfare.

[bowlinggreen]

Originally Posted by Estreeter

Somewhat,

I'll repeat the story, only in whole this time
My cousin who I never met, born 23 years before me, I'm told was a loud mouth by those who knew him, didn't know how to shut up. His Dad, my oldest uncle was shot and killed by the Partisans. Certain members of my family were Ustasa soldiers, that particular Uncle wasn't.

My cousin would often get drunk and start on his anti communist and anti Yugoslavia rants, usually in cafe's. He was warned by the state police and beaten badly while detained for a month. Once released he apparently quietened down a lot, and this is from what I'm told I'll add. Fast forward 3 years after behaving himself he wanted to attend a family members wedding but needed a passport, that was denied so he started again with his anti commie rants only this time he did something else. At a cafe again, ripped down a picture of Tito, placed it on the floor, got up on a table and pissed on it.
The next day he was paid a visit by the police, was taken away, never seen again though according to the police he was released Thats the actions of a moderate commie state.

That's my personal hatred of it.

Bloody hell.

Living behind the Iron Curtain would have sucked long and hard.

Sorry about your cousin. There is no excuse for that sort of conduct by any civilized government.

It just goes to show that the best Communism can do is make everyone poor and miserable, and make people go away for good if they are so brash as to point out that fact.

What does xyzde69 have to say about unpersons who magically disappear from the Utopian commune, if they speak out?