Communism. Good or bad. What do you really know about Communism?

[Roubignol]

As I already told to Estreeter, I worked in a tunnel during 3 years.
Look at the last picture. According to me, the journalist who went into this mine to make videos, was unconscious or get huuugeee bollocks. Because he risked his life to bring us this testimony.
There are not safe working conditions in these coltan mines.
You will never find any Occidental minors accepting to work in these kind of conditions today, apart if shareholders starve them as they starved them during the 19th century.

12 hours a day for 5.50€ per day, this is the wage of an African minor.
12 hours a day for 0.40€ per day, this is the wage of an African child minor.

Today these salaries and working conditions are known thanks these reporters.
Do we have to buy smartphones that cheap or do they have to cost 5000€ ?
That's the question asked to fair people.

That's what about spent Karl Marx during all his life. To demonstrate the inherent violence of Capitalism.

Originally Posted by Wendigo

Only psychopaths an defend Communism
.......

I was a little bit tired to read about: "Stalin, Stalin, Stalin, ..."
When today Capitalism is the unique model that commit massive crimes against humanity and Marxist university intellectuals or professors like Frédéric Lordon or Bernard Friot try to prove that a modern form of Communism could be really fair.

[Wendigo]

Originally Posted by xyzde69

Unfair people take the monstrous stories of pedophile priests to tell: "Catholic are pedophiles, Catholicism is a religion of perverts".

But if they will take the time to read the New Testament, they will find that the apostles never transcribed the least sentence of Jesus Christ declaring:: "Get sex with children."

Unfair people may also translate a phrase like "mass ranks of child abusers that lurk in the priesthood" to read Catholicism is a religion of perverts but that isn't what was said, it solely related to child abusers in the priesthood, and I believe the scale is far larger than you think but we will never know due to the way it has been covered up.
The system of Catholic schools has led to countless allegations of sexual, physical and mental cruelty by priests and Nuns some of whom would have fitted in well with the Stasi.

If you read the Old Testament it is full of death and blood, with God encouraging his followers to kill non believers, if God exists he was the worst psychopath of all, just look at his evil shit here, whether you disagree with the website's conclusion or not the words are in the Bible

http://www.evilbible.com/evil-bible-...-in-the-bible/

The New Testament shows God as bipolar, he has gone from a jealous mass murderer to a father figure, although not so good a father as to save his son

I suppose that ties in with your idea of new Communism, the very fact you suggest a new Communism is an acceptance that the old version has failed.

[Estreeter]

Originally Posted by xyzde69

No that's not the choice of children of 12 years old to work in a coltan mine.
It's because their fathers are dead and they have to support their younger sibblings.

So what would be wrong from Apple, Nokia, Microsoft, Blackberry or Samsung to pay correct infrastructures and good salaries.
It's because shareholders do want the maximum dividends and customers don't want to pay the correct price of an Iphone.
The correct price would be at least 5000$, not 600$.

Nobody holds a firearm to their head and say you must work here, again it's choice ...... and I'll expand on that in the next part of the quote

Originally Posted by xyzde69

As a fan of Bruce Springsteen, how can you defend a system that is so unfair with African and Chinese children or adult minors (and workers in general) ?

He plays more that political stuff, I'm more a fan of that, but given he has left values and as I've said in this thread in the past I have voted left and right depending on whatever at the time, unlike people like you who put blind faith in one way of thinking, I'm very very middle of the road, so ..... DO I like they are getting not much pay , not really but I'm far happier that at least those not fortunate enough to live in the west at least have something if they want it rather than zero.

Originally Posted by xyzde69

Rich people don't have to be rich.

Nobody has to be rich, but some are prepared to work hard to be

Originally Posted by xyzde69

Shareholders have to disappear too.

What, so public companies become state owned but isn't a publicly listed company have it's shares open to be bought by anybody, like I own shares in some The public is the whole country not just government.

Originally Posted by xyzde69

After the subprime crisis, a lot of educated people understood that the actual form of Capitalism has to disappear.

I've actually said this before on here, I do agree that there needs to be some Government regulation of banking.

Originally Posted by xyzde69

Only psychopaths can defend the capitalism.

Well, I'll guess I'll go and see a psychologist and have them find me quite normal as I don't believe in the romantic ideal called Communism can work even after it was a proven failure Dismal catastrophic yet somewhat arousing Should have seen the look on my Dad's face when the Berlin Wall fell, when that Romanian cunt was shot, when on Christmas Day the USSR broke apart, when Slovenia broke away from Yugoslavia and then have Croatia and Bosnia followed .... He said it was better than sex

[Roubignol]

Originally Posted by Wendigo

I suppose that ties in with your idea of new Communism, the very fact you suggest a new Communism is an acceptance that the old version has failed.

Yep, it has failed, because of wars perpetraded by USA and poorly educated Communist leaders.
But in 2018, we probably get enough scientific knowledges to try a modern one.
As long as people who want to test it will be not killed or will not suffer of embargos from stooges and greedy shareholders, who promote their fake liberty and write unfair laws to enslave real freedom.

Today the fact is: if you are not a stooge, you are poor or a slavedriver. Feel free to give me another example, that does not describe a stooge in 2018. I'm more open minded that you think.

Money is THE tool of slavery.

Originally Posted by Wendigo

The New Testament shows God as bipolar, he has gone from a jealous mass murderer to a father figure, although not so good a father as to save his son

I suppose that ties in with your idea of new Communism, the very fact you suggest a new Communism is an acceptance that the old version has failed.

But Jesus Christ was killed after he fought against markets.
Until that day, the greedy merchants let him predicating honesty, altruism and friendship.

Originally Posted by Estreeter

Nobody holds a firearm to their head and say you must work here, again it's choice ......

No that's not free choice. That's social task to help their family.

Originally Posted by Estreeter

Well, I'll guess I'll go and see a psychologist and have them find me quite normal as I don't believe in the romantic ideal called Communism can work even after it was a proven failure Dismal catastrophic yet somewhat arousing Should have seen the look on my Dad's face when the Berlin Wall fell, when that Romanian cunt was shot, when on Christmas Day the USSR broke apart, when Slovenia broke away from Yugoslavia and then have Croatia and Bosnia followed .... He said it was better than sex

The Eastern Communists leaders were dictators. They were RICH.
Nothing to do with the concept to be more or less equal. They were parasites.

But in another way, if a honest and fair Communist has to execute all the slavedrivers, who want to kill him and then after killing him, will put people under slavery, is he really an unfair guy or is he protecting his life and life of fair workers?

I let you think about it.
Tomorrow we promote Estreeter, the leader of a fair Australia.
Slavedrivers do not want to share their wealth with their hardworking collaborators. What do you do?

1) Like Gandhi and Jesus Christ, ready to die for the noble cause without shedding blood
2) or put slavedrivers in jail if there are enough places or bam bam bam bam bam?

Feel free to give me your solution, Estreeter the Just.

[Wendigo]

Originally Posted by xyzde69

1) Like Gandhi and Jesus Christ, ready to die for the noble cause without shedding blood

Well Gandhi opposed the British in WWII despite the fact that he was well aware of the evils the Nazi's were perpetrating, thankfully the Indian nation did not listen to him and many hundreds of thousands fought alongside the allies

https://theconversation.com/why-reme...olitical-86885

As for Jesus well if he existed at all, he still represents the God of the Old Testament who was merrily slaying non believers for thousands of years yet we are expected to believe he suddenly had a word with himself and decided to unilaterally stop smiting

As I said I think you have the answer to your original question about Communiusm you will be better served starting a new thread as this thread is going nowhere at present.

[Mal Hombre]

Gandhi didn't die for His noble cause,He was killed by Hindus who considered Him a traitor.You can't really use Jesus as an example either,There is no consensus that He ever even existed..

[Roubignol]

Originally Posted by Wendigo

As I said I think you have the answer to your original question about Communiusm you will be better served starting a new thread as this thread is going nowhere at present.

I do not agree. I'll publish facts that demonstrate that a modern Communism can exist and that today the main opponent of Communism, called Capitalism, is a vicious monstruosity that throw at 20000km/s humanity into the Apocalypse. (That's a metaphor.)

[Wendigo]

Originally Posted by xyzde69

I do not agree. I'll publish facts that demonstrate that a modern Communism can exist and that today the main opponent of Communism, called Capitalism, is a vicious monstruosity that throw at 20000km/s humanity into the Apocalypse. (That's a metaphor.)

You may not agree but really no one is listening to you here so you are wasting your time.

You cannot actually publish facts that a modern Communism can exist, you cannot publish facts about something that does not exist except as a theory.
You can propose a new Communism but that accepts that the old one has failed. Who is to say the new Communism will not buckle the same way as the old Communism did? Never forget the human element.

We do not support all that has been done in the name of Capitalism but, unlike those who live under Communism, people in Capitalist countries can travel the world over without and are free in ways undreamed of in many Communist states. We can and do criticise exploitation and we do have the choice to buy many free trade goods where producers are paid a decent wage. I can also criticise my leaders without fearing being dragged out of bed in the middle of the night.

[Estreeter]

Originally Posted by xyzde69

Feel free to give me your solution, Estreeter the Just.

You know when you're cooking a BBQ, well probably not you as you're a vegan, but either way, you get your hand close to the fire and burn it You're careful from then on, so, months later you're using an oxy cutter, it's a different flame but you did learn to not put your hand near the flame That's Communism.

Originally Posted by xyzde69

I do not agree. I'll publish facts that demonstrate that a modern Communism can exist and that today

Huh ??? How can you provide a fact about that ???
Which country has had modern Commie stuff enough time to prove it works ???

[Roubignol]

Originally Posted by Wendigo

You many not agree but really no one is listening to you here so you are wasting your time.

So feel free to not participate in this topic.
I do not read anymore at your film descriptions.

Originally Posted by Estreeter

Huh ??? How can you provide a fact about that ???
Which country has had modern Commie stuff enough time to prove it works ???

Marxism imposed social laws in a lot of occidental countries.
But since the 80's greed is coming back.
Occidental unfairness enslaved non occidental less developped countries.

Each time that Capitalism abused of their workers, Marxist observations will come back.

The main problem is that uneducated stooges are not aware of the new social dictature in which they live.

In the Marx theory, he said, that social classes will slowly disappear thanks to social revolutions and education.