Questions for our American friends

[Arturo2nd]

Originally Posted by SanteeFats

Yes most do Palo you be correct-a-mundo. I don't think any one here will argue the fact that horses came to America later than most anywhere else so why wouldn't we accept that fact?

It is my understanding that biologists believe that horses originated in North America and migrated to the Eurasian landmass. There some enterprising tribes domesticated horses and revolutionized warfare as a result. However, the human hunter-gatherers who populated North America emigrated prior to horses being domesticated and hunted the genus into extinction on that continent. Ironically, the European conquerors reintroduced horses and the use of horses quickly spread across the plains.

We in the New World really should have some sort of holiday to acknowledge the introduction of cattle and reintroduction of horses. Without that intervention bullshit and horse shit would be unknown and we would be forced to make do with chicken shit.

[SanteeFats]

Brian I checked that out and you are correct (thought you would be but...).
I learned something today after all.

[solarbear]

Camels originated in North America, but weren't useful as beasts of burden until landing elsewhere on other continents..Australians wanted the camels a few decades ago, i think they are nuisances there now. Out there in the tarpits in Los Angeles there are interesting prehistoric fossils preserved by that muck..

[ManofKent]

Originally Posted by solarbear

Camels originated in North America, but weren't useful as beasts of burden until landing elsewhere on other continents..Australians wanted the camels a few decades ago, i think they are nuisances there now. Out there in the tarpits in Los Angeles there are interesting prehistoric fossils preserved by that muck..

Also I think there's more camels in Australia nowdays then in Saudi Arabia (or something like that).

[zeus64]

Originally Posted by palo5

Americans love horses, we're told. But we loved them many years before you

Can they accept this in their culture?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_KbT-iA5768

i learned how to ride a saddle horse before a bicycle ... grandpa had the dairy farm ... giles had the pulling horses for his hobby ... i had a ponies and midsize riding horses.. these images of what giles loved for a hobby ... i found it boring and dangerous you could lose a finger if you didn't move fast enough at a horse pulling contest ... where did the native americans get their horses ? horses are a american icon

[deepsepia]

Originally Posted by palo5

Americans love horses, we're told. But we loved them many years before you

Can they accept this in their culture?

Sure, why not?

One of the interesting things about American history is how quickly native Americans adopted the horse. Up until the Spanish arrived there hadn't been horses in North America for thousands of years; indigenous people used dogs to pull sleds.

The Spanish come and horses get loose and start breeding wild on the plains, and the native tribes very quickly take them up and become horse people, dramatically changing their way of life. They also start breeding horses themselves -- paints and cayuse ponies for example.

What's always surprised me is how fast this happened-- in one generation more or less, people who'd never seen a horse became as devoted to the horse as Cossacks or Tatars. In many cases, the Western tribes who we think of as great horsemen had only had horses for a few decades when Europeans first contacted them.

Here's a map, showing the dates of arrival of horses to various Western tribes, all of whom would be known not long after as superb riders.

[seany65]

"Pulling horse" competions don't look to be too much fun for the horses...

[Roubignol]

Originally Posted by seany65

"Pulling horse" competions don't look to be too much fun for the horses...

That's always the same annoying problem.

The abusers speak instead of their slaves or their victims and vicious politicians do nothing because they are afraid not to be reelected by the muck of the humanity.
Abused people can speak and still are afraid to speak. Doesn't it describe how insane is built the structure of our society? But imagine an animal, he (or she) doesn't speak. That's the door opened of all the silly and depraved shows and behaviours.
Treat 30 seconds an abuser like his (her) victim (even his animal victim), you will immediatly go to jail. Immediatly.
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[vinceprince]

How do you feel about living in a country where children can and do get legally married off to older men at ages as low as 11 in many states to reflect 'Christian customs'

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/200000-children-married-us-15-years-child-marriage-child-brides-new-jersey-chris-christie-a7830266.html

Strangely resembling many 'backward' Islamic countries or even ISIS. Is this part of the traditions of Christian America that needs to be preserved. I'm sure the husbands' intentions are as honourable as the Prophet Mohammads'.

At the same time a pimp exploiting a child can rightly face a lifetime in jail regardless whether the parents 'consent'.
Traditional family values eh?

[Decadence]

Originally Posted by vinceprince

How do you feel about living in a country where children can and do get legally married off to older men at ages as low as 11 in many states to reflect 'Christian customs'

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/200000-children-married-us-15-years-child-marriage-child-brides-new-jersey-chris-christie-a7830266.html

Strangely resembling many 'backward' Islamic countries or even ISIS. Is this part of the traditions of Christian America that needs to be preserved. I'm sure the husbands' intentions are as honourable as the Prophet Mohammads'.

At the same time a pimp exploiting a child can rightly face a lifetime in jail regardless whether the parents 'consent'.
Traditional family values eh?

So.. is this really a question or a lame attempt to equate America with cultures of the world that haven't evolved since the 13th century?

The legal age for marriage in America, in general, is 18. Most states allow for marriage at 16 or 17 with parental consent. As always, exceptions are made with judicial approval.

It seems the legal age for marriage in the UK is 16.. gays/lesbians not included, according to the Church of England.

Similarly, the age of consent in America is set by the individual states and varies from 16 to 18. Sex with an individual under the age of consent constitutes statutory rape. You've heard the saying "17 will get you 20"? It's true.

It's interesting to note the age of consent in other countries: it’s 13 in South Korea and Japan, and, until recently, Spain; 14 in Austria, Germany, Italy, and Portugal; 15 in Denmark, France, and Sweden; and 16 in most of the rest of the Western world. The ages of 17 and 18 in the United States are outliers, though Ireland and a couple of states in Australia are also at 17.

In the few instances you referenced, judicial activism was required in order for these marriages to take place. It's neither common or accepted practice in every day life in America for people under the age of 15 to get married. Your article had to go back 10 and 15 years to find the rare examples that aren't indicative of the norm.

Got any more specious comparisons?