James Bond & Bond Girls Discussion Thread

[hoyya]

I like to read books. So consequently when I was 12, 13, 14 years I read all of Ian Flemings 007 novels (the big and the short stories). This was cheaper than cinema, because I could lend them from the library.
Later I saw most Bond movies in the theatre or on video with friends. I must say, I was a bit disappointed from the movies in contrast to the books. For me the books were more dramatically and the enemy was not always Blofeld and it was not always the entire world at stake and so much high tech gadgets around. In the books Bond has more dimensions as a person then in the movies and he is vulnerable.
Sure the so called Bond girls were exciting. First I remember this russian female spy from “the spy who loved me”, she had this beautiful big eyes and special lips, and I dreamed about her. I think her name was nadia, but I’m not sure anymore!
This is her:

What I’d like to know from you Bond fans:
Did you read the novels (you have the language advantage), at what age did you read them or watch the movies and how do you see the differences between the books and movies.

And please add your list
My favorite book: Operation Thunderball
My favorite movie: Goldfinger
My favorite oponent actor: Gerd Foebe as Auric Goldfinger
My favorite Bond girl:Barbara Bach and naturally Ursula Andress (she is swiss and very sexy)
My favorite Bond actor: Sean Connory
My favorite Bond car: The old Aston Martin DB 5 (silver color)
My favorite Bond line: “My name is Bond, James Bond!!!!”
My first 3 movies in cinema:
-Moonraker (August 1979)
-For your eyes only (June 1981)
-The spy who loved me (reprise)





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[lovegod]

In you only live twice I remember reading a lot about Japan
and its complex culture.
You got the feeling that Fleming had really
done his homework and put a lot of effort and research into the book.

Also you realized Japan is a lot more than just the soundbytes you get on TV.

Those film guys don t mess about either, in just 6 weeks
they had all the location filming in Japan wrapped up.
All they had to do then was fill in with some studio footage
get Nancy to sing the title song....
and the movie was ....."in the can "
Sorted !

PS
I think the pic Bellsmyre is of Catherine Bach (Ringos wife )
(though at first glance I thought it was Caroline Cossey ! )

[hoyya]

Originally Posted by bellsmyre49

First James Bond film I saw was Dr No in late 1964 or early 65 -the later films were never as good as that one as they veered further and further away from the original novels and emphasised the high tech gadget nonsense..

I read most of the novels at that time [I was in my early teens] The first one I read was "From Russia With Love" - I recall thinking that Fleming's Bond was colder and much more ruthless than that portrayed in the films.

If I was to pick a favourite of the novels I'd opt for "The Spy Who Loved Me" - It's written in a different style from the other books, [first person perspective of the main female character], and emphasises the almost thuggish brutality of Bond.

I haven't read an Ian Fleming novel for 40 years - I must read one now and see what the
slightly more grown up me thinks.

Have you read the novels in English or translated versions [or both]??

As much as I know was Dr No the first Bond film and naturally it's one of the best besides Goldfinger because of Ursula Andress and Sean Connory. I think Dr No was in b/w, wasn't it?
For me it's interesting, that we both were attached to the 007 novels in our early teens. I think I was fascinated by Bonds consequence in fullfilling his mission and all the adventures he lived through. And in the books you really belive, there is danger and he faces it!
I haven't touched no Bond novel in over 20 years (at that age I could not yet read english), but I think I'll buy me "Thunderball" now in original!
I'll have a look at eBay!




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[amfan56]

Originally Posted by hoyya

As much as I know was Dr No the first Bond film and naturally it's one of the best besides Goldfinger because of Ursula Andress and Sean Connory. I think Dr No was in b/w, wasn't it?
For me it's interesting, that we both were attached to the 007 novels in our early teens. I think I was fascinated by Bonds consequence in fullfilling his mission and all the adventures he lived through. And in the books you really belive, there is danger and he faces it!
I haven't touched no Bond novel in over 20 years (at that age I could not yet read english), but I think I'll buy me "Thunderball" now in original!
I'll have a look at eBay!




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You and Bellsmyre46 both bring up some very interesting and astute points regarding the James Bond cultural mythology vis a vis the differences between the books and the movies--both in overall plot and in the sharply different characterizations of Bond. I picked up my first Fleming Bond novel at around 11-12 yrs old--coincidentally, also "From Russia with Love" which I hadn't seen the film of yet.

This was back in the days when all TV was 3 lousy networks, and the ABC Sunday Night Movie ran James Bond all summer long. I had been a big Bond fan probably since I was 8-10 yrs old, and at that age Roger Moore was the coolest motherfucker I'd ever seen in my life, and the obtuse scifi appeal of "Mooonraker" was perfectly pitched to a kid my age. So when I read "From Russia.." I was sorta shocked by how different the written Bond was--not as "cool", but definitely more dangerous. But then, his villains were more dangerous too, and quite cunningly NEVER explained the entire evil plan to our hero since "you're about to die anyway, Mr. Bond..." or that sort of thing.

I won't say I "got it" right away, but I did immediately achieve an admiration for the greater literary integrity of Connery's Bond, especially in the earliest films like "Dr. No". The cheesy sci-fi set pieces, goofy one-liners, and often ridiculous gadgetry was still entertaining, but no longer satisfied. The more realistic, gritty Bond who became less human with every kill, who tried ever harder to bury his soul-sickness underneath the weight of top shelf liquor and anonymous pussy and was never really sure that he could win the day deeply and fundamentally altered my concept of heroism.

Those points are exactly why I so enjoyed the recent "Casino Royale", because we got to see a Bond onscreen who was closer to that idea than anything we've seen since the first 2 or 3 films. Another factor is the overall "maturing" of filmgoing audiences, such that directors and producers now recognize that a flawed, "human" hero can connect to a modern cinema audience better than a 2-dimensional one, and allow the directors and writers to express this much more than in the past. As proof, I can point out how the "indestructible" box office action heroes of the 80's and early 90's (Schwarzenegger, Stallone, etc) suddenly seemed to lose their massive appeal, and more complex characters who could actually get HURT were being faced of against villains who were often smarter and better-equipped than they were (the 1st "Die Hard" is a perfect example to mark the beginning of this cultural shift).

OK, rant off. Sorry, I really tried to stay out of this because I knew if I got started I wouldn't shut up. I'm a huge Bond fan--so much so that I once even managed to convince a college professor to let me write my thesis on Bond. Believe me, I could keep going! I'll try not to bore you fine folks anymore with this overwritten nonsense. After all, this IS a forum for pornography, not film theory!

So on that note, I can cite one thing about Bond that is actually relevant to this forum: Pussy Galore wasn't just a name, it was her personal mission! HUGE man-hating lesbian she was--if you read between the lines just a little--and only James Bond had the phallic power to overwhelm her and convert her back to cock, with plenty left over to kick Auric Goldfinger's ass as well.

'Nuff said! Read this if you don't believe me:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pussy_Galore

[hoyya]

Originally Posted by amfan56

OK, rant off. Sorry, I really tried to stay out of this because I knew if I got started I wouldn't shut up. I'm a huge Bond fan--so much so that I once even managed to convince a college professor to let me write my thesis on Bond. Believe me, I could keep going! I'll try not to bore you fine folks anymore with this overwritten nonsense. After all, this IS a forum for pornography, not film theory!

You don't have to sorry, I really enjoyed reading your post-Thanks for your time and your colorful explanations.
VEF is not only for porn; it's for people who grew up in the older times and like the good memories about then.
As the view of a hero got more complex as much bring your thoughts more complexity and realism into this thread-I could listen to you for another hour or two!

Just as a question I made myself because I forgot too much from the novels:
Why does Bond what he does, what is his inner motor; you said it: all this killing and the violent death of his wife touched him. And Bond is too smart only to follow orders. They selected him, because he is one of the best for this job!
Somehow he likes what he does, the gambling on the edge, the adrenalin! And he is aware that those who command him, would sink in a day in his missions and they know it! Maybe it's his destiny to do that job, because no one else can?




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[lovegod]

i SEEM to remember reading a book that was all about
bond and ian fleming etc
at the end of the book the author said he picked up one
of the foolscap sheets he d been writing on and held it to
the light
there was a watermark..........' Bond extra strong.'........

I bet Ian Flemming was chuffed at the fabulous success of the bond movies
though he was , by then, at the end of his life.
Pity he did nt live to reap the huge rewards he deserved.
After all, his novels have created a movie cult ... and its still going !

[amfan56]

One more (Forum-Relevant) point to add to the bio for Barbara Bach:

She is married to Ringo Starr the drummer from the Beatles.---

---and their daughter (technically Ringo's step-daughter) is a lesbian in a long-term relationship with actress Portia de Rossi!

http://www.clublez.com/movies/lesbia...ies/index.html

Yeah, OK, it's not exactly a news flash anymore, but I'm trying to provide at least SOME evidence that this thread is STILL about sex! LOL




Pics and linked article credited to Niclas, webmaster over at ELMS, and of course to Portia de Rossi, since without her lesbianism this post could never have happened.

[Greenman]

Best lines
Bond(Connery) to Goldfinger(Gert Frobe) whilst about to be cut in half by a laser:
"Do you expect me to talk?"
"No Mr Bond, I expect you to die!"

Bond(Brosnan) to Dr Christmas Jones (Denise Richards)
"I thought Christmas only came once a year!" the reaction to that from cinema audience was loud.

Bond(Connery) to Plenty O'Toole(Lana Wood)
"I'm Plenty, Plenty o toole!"
"After your father no doubt!"

Bond(Connery) to henchman who throws Plenty out of hotel room into pool below:
"Exceptionally fine shot"
"I didn't know there was a pool down there!"

M to Bond & Amasova in the escape capsule (end of TSWLMe)
"Bond! What do you think you are doing?"
"Err keeping the British end up sir!"

Bond(Moore) to Q and M
Bond fires projectile from wrist launcher into M's painting
M-"Oh thank you 007"
Bond to Q "Must get them in the shops for Christmas!"

[amfan56]

from Thunderball
Bond (Connery)with Fiona Volpe--the "evil" Bond girl, insists on taking the keys as they approach their car:

Fiona: "Some men just don't like to be driven."
Bond: "No, some men don't like to be taken for a ride."


from From Russia with Love
Moneypenny, M, and other officials are listening to Bond's taped interview of Tatiana Romanova:

Tatiana: "The mechanism is... Oh James, James... Will you make love to me all the time in England?"
James Bond: "Day and night. Go on about the mechanism."


from Dr. No
Bond to Honey Rider (Ursula Andress) after she steps out of the ocean onto the beach:

Honey Ryder: "Are you looking for shells too?"
James Bond: "No, I'm just looking."


from The Spy who Loved Me
M: "Moneypenny, where's 007?"
Moneypenny: "He's on a mission sir. In Austria."
M: "Well, tell him to pull out. Immediately."
[scene cuts to Bond making love to a woman]

another:

Q: "Right. Now pay attention, 007. I want you to take great care of this equipment. There are one or two rather special accessories..."
James Bond: "Q, have I ever let you down?"
Q: "Frequently."


from Diamond are Forever
Bond meets two bikini-clad female assassins:

Bambi: [seductively] "I'm Bambi."
Thumper: "And I am Thumper. Is there something we can do for you?"
James Bond: "I can think of several things, off hand..."


finally, Moonraker
Some cool lines from Drax--the most well-spoken of Bond's villains:

"You have arrived at a propitious moment, considered to be your country's one indisputable contribution to Western Civilization: Afternoon tea."

"Mr. Bond, you persist in defying my efforts to provide an amusing death for you. "

"Look after Mr. Bond. See that some harm comes to him. "

"James Bond. You appear with the tedious inevitability of an unloved season."

[hoyya]

Another funny line:
I try to translate from the german movie I saw in cinema to english, and I'd like to know if in the original english version Bond makes the same joke?

As I remember it was in "diamonds are forever" (book good, movie disastrous) where a gay killer several times tries to kill Bond. Because he is gay, he weres a revealing aftershave. In the final scene Bond eates dinner in a vessel with his girl. The servant is the disguised killer; he put a bomb in the trolley. Bond recognizes him from the smell and they fight for life. At last Bond throws him overboard with the bomb; he explodes in the air.
Bond (Moore): "That dog it has torn with a squeezed in tail!"





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