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Old 05-09-2018, 06:47 PM   #34581
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Correct me Rupert (wish there was a Murdoch after that ), didn't that Scargill .... person have the union he ran pay for a luxury flat in London

If so ... Yep , he cared for the common worker
There was a joke at the time that Scargill started with a big union and a small house and ended with a small union and a big house.

He also infamously defended the killers of taxi driver David Wilkie.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_David_Wilkie
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v9d7ahKWcsM

Kinnock on the looney left, as mentioned earlier post, the man shouting liar, is the deputy leader of the Liverpool council, which he is attacking in the speech, he is now a multimillionaire, good socialist eh?
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Didn't that prick Hatton drive a BMW with the personalised plate deg5y. IIRC he had a contract to advertise watches in tv ads. You have to be some rancid leftie for Kinnock to dislike you.

From a wikipedia page.

In October 2008, during as interview with The Sunday Telegraph, Hatton revealed that he has become a capitalist running a property company in Cyprus and drives a ú60,000 Range Rover. He justifies his change in attitude as "My days in politics were a very long time ago and I lost interest in it after I was expelled from the city council."
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You are absolutely right about Hatton, what many people do not realise was that he was actually the Deputy Leader of the Council! He just took over and controlled everything. I actually met Neil (and Glynis) Kinnock on several occasions, he was a fanatical Rugby Supporter, he was a genuinely nice guy, with a great sense of humour, a sharp wit and a man you enjoyed having around. I genuinely believe in his early days he believed strongly in his socialist values. I think the cynicism of other politicians bought him down.

I was absolutely astonished that he, and Glynis entered the House of Lords, especially as he had been such a spolesman for its removal.
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It is such a stereotype and yet so true, so often, that the left wing generally steal public money meant for the benefit of poverty stricken and disadvantaged people, and the right wing generally talk loud and long about God and Country and get caught cavorting with rent boys in motels, or are in a deep and meaningful relationship with a sheep. These days the spirit is more collegiate and bipartisan, and both sides steal public money, take bribes and copulate with farm animals.
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I actually met Neil (and Glynis) Kinnock on several occasions, he was a genuinely nice guy, with a great sense of humour, a sharp wit and a man you enjoyed having around. I genuinely believe in his early days he believed strongly in his socialist values. I think the cynicism of other politicians bought him down. I was absolutely astonished that he, and Glynis entered the House of Lords, especially as he had been such a spolesman for its removal.
Admittedly, the 80s were not good for Labour. The 1970s IMF crisis and Winter of Discontent were a humiliation for James Callaghan and disillusioned many Labour voters (I recall listening to a podcast with people who worked on The Sun during the 70s and 80s. They denied being a Tory paper but a paper for working class disillusioned Labour voters). Europe was always a divisive issue for Labour. Left wingers instinctively resisted the idea of a "Common Market", with Tony Benn and Michael Foot springing to mind. There was however a "Europhilic tendency" which pointed to the strong socialist traditions in European politics. Roy Jenkins was a notable advocate of this. With the formation of the SDP many Labour politicians previously hostile to Europe finally turned towards it, seeing European socialism as a electable alternative to Thatcherism. The end of the Cold War and the collapse of the Soviet Union made socialism seem like a spent force. Come the late 90s, Blair set about turning "Labour" into "New Labour".
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It is such a stereotype and yet so true, so often, that the left wing generally steal public money meant for the benefit of poverty stricken and disadvantaged people, and the right wing generally talk loud and long about God and Country and get caught cavorting with rent boys in motels, or are in a deep and meaningful relationship with a sheep. These days the spirit is more collegiate and bipartisan, and both sides steal public money, take bribes and copulate with farm animals.
I always disliked French (or Swiss) Socio-democrats politicians earning from 100'000 to 300'000 UKú and speaking like Karl Marx (as example), when hard working citizens hardly earn 30'000 UKú per year.
These people are not left. They are corrupted politicians.

Thatcher and Reagan were fanaticized by Hayek and the Chicago Boys.
What has appeared efficient in the 80's and 90's, pushed our democracies in huge economical problems since the 2008's crisis.

Ultraliberalism is environmentally unsustainable, socially irresponsible.
All engineers will tell you: a system has to be regulated. If you don't regulate it, it will face a breakage at one moment.
That's why we study, we calculate, we discuss. In other words, we planify.

Reagan was not a clever guy, but what was more surprising, it's that Thatcher had some scientific knowledges. But maybe she was too "old school".
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