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Old 05-09-2018, 10:16 AM   #34571
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Old 05-09-2018, 10:39 AM   #34572
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I do find that a bit offensive, there were a lot more issues involved in the miners strike, if you actually had spent anytime in Yorkshire, one of the most affected areas during both the strike and its aftermath, you would find that it is a very close run thing between dislike of Margaret Thatcher and Arthur Scargill, the miners union leader.
About 15 years ago, I had to spend for my job one week in a small city near Birmingham.
I spent several days with a 35 years old man, who worked as freelance programmer. A very nice person.
He was living in a "poor" area.
He told to me that Thatcher destroyed the quality of life of a lot of people of the British working class.
I remember that looking "teddy bear" guy get his eyes filled with hatred when speaking about this woman.
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About 15 years ago, I had to spend for my job one week in a small city near Birmingham.
I spent several days with a 35 years old man, who worked as freelance programmer. A very nice person.
He was living in a "poor" area.
He told to me that Thatcher destroyed the quality of life of a lot of people of the British working class.
I remember that looking "teddy bear" guy get his eyes filled with hatred when speaking about this woman.
You would meet a lot of people with exactly the opposite view! I am not a Thatcherite, but she inherited a country with massive inflation, out of control trade unions, who were perceived by many as blatantly far left, and opposed to any changes or modernisation of work practice.

There were also left wing councils, introducing ridiculous policies and appointing friends to £35 thousand a year part time jobs in the 1970s. The average wage being about 10k at the time!

Neil Kinnock, the Labour leader at the time made this speech, it is why Labour were unelectable!
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You would meet a lot of people with exactly the opposite view! I am not a Thatcherite, but she inherited a country with massive inflation, out of control trade unions, who were perceived by many as blatantly far left,
Correct me Rupert (wish there was a Murdoch after that ), didn't that Scargill .... person have the union he ran pay for a luxury flat in London

If so ... Yep , he cared for the common worker
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Scargill had a house in Sheffield and a London flat both financed by the Union. He was taken to court a few years ago because 30 years after the strike he still lived there and refused to hand it back.
Several Union officials have been involved scandals recently for paying themselves large salaries out of the funds contributed by miners and for doing deals with law firms represent ex miners in all sorts of claims cases. One is even a left wing labour MP.

Scargill caused the strike in order to topple Thatcher. The work to rule the Miners had voted for the previous Summer was working and British Coal were seriously thinking about giving in. Scargill wanted more though, he thought the workers would rise up and follow him. Sadly for him the workers had had enough of tinpot marxist union leaders playing politics with their jobs and income.

The strike caused much bitterness amongst peoples and families. There are still brothers who won't talk to each other.

One further action needs to be taken with the Unions. It should be law that when on strike the union leaders are paid the same strike pay as their members, and no expences atall.
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Scargill had a house in Sheffield and a London flat both financed by the Union. He was taken to court a few years ago because 30 years after the strike he still lived there and refused to hand it back.
Several Union officials have been involved scandals recently for paying themselves large salaries out of the funds contributed by miners and for doing deals with law firms represent ex miners in all sorts of claims cases. One is even a left wing labour MP.

Scargill caused the strike in order to topple Thatcher. The work to rule the Miners had voted for the previous Summer was working and British Coal were seriously thinking about giving in. Scargill wanted more though, he thought the workers would rise up and follow him. Sadly for him the workers had had enough of tinpot marxist union leaders playing politics with their jobs and income.

The strike caused much bitterness amongst peoples and families. There are still brothers who won't talk to each other.

One further action needs to be taken with the Unions. It should be law that when on strike the union leaders are paid the same strike pay as their members, and no expences atall.
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Scargill had a house in Sheffield and a London flat both financed by the Union. He was taken to court a few years ago because 30 years after the strike he still lived there and refused to hand it back.
Several Union officials have been involved scandals recently for paying themselves large salaries out of the funds contributed by miners and for doing deals with law firms represent ex miners in all sorts of claims cases. One is even a left wing labour MP.

Scargill caused the strike in order to topple Thatcher. The work to rule the Miners had voted for the previous Summer was working and British Coal were seriously thinking about giving in. Scargill wanted more though, he thought the workers would rise up and follow him. Sadly for him the workers had had enough of tinpot marxist union leaders playing politics with their jobs and income.

The strike caused much bitterness amongst peoples and families. There are still brothers who won't talk to each other.

One further action needs to be taken with the Unions. It should be law that when on strike the union leaders are paid the same strike pay as their members, and no expences atall.

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(He) told to me that Thatcher destroyed the quality of life of a lot of people of the British working class. I remember that looking "teddy bear" guy get his eyes filled with hatred when speaking about this woman.
I keep thinking back to my childhood and youth. Growing up in Manchester, a once great industrial city when Britain was the workshop of the world. I saw the cotton mills vanish as well as places like Trafford Park and Salford Quays, places that once employed people in their thousands. At the same time, the shops were being filled with products from countries that British consumers thought were cheaper or better, or even both. I saw the toll it took on the city, especially during the 1981 riots. I saw it happen to all of Britain's cities. I did hate Thatcher at the time but I heard her say something I find hard to argue with now.... you can't buck the market.
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One further action needs to be taken with the Unions. It should be law that when on strike the union leaders are paid the same strike pay as their members, and no expenses at all.
Be fair Scatgill did refuse to take delivery of his new Daimler Double Six, paid for of course by the Union, although he did push through an interest free mortgage for his daughter of £100k, for perspective miners were having their secondhand ford escorts taken back by the finance companies, and a three bedroom new build in the area is about £89k TODAY! Scargill was also President for life and continued to draw his huge salary for many many years!
left the typo, its seemed appropriate!
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