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Old 05-08-2018, 09:20 PM   #34561
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Oh! Clearly I'm confusing something. I thought democracy was when everyone gets a vote, every vote counts, and it leads to representative government. And I thought demonstrations had to do with freedom of expression, and needed permission from local authorities

Did I get that wrong?
It was a question during the last French election (and even in the past in the Swiss votations too). What if the blank votes are majority?

The opinion of the left candidate Mélanchon was the following: if the blank votes are majority, the election must be considered as nul and new candidates must be proposed to the population.

I think that Mélanchon was correct on this point. Even if I dislike to see a man or a woman often illegitimately representing million of people.

Today in France, Macron who only got on the first tour 18% of the votes (and 18% in 2nd tour of the legislatives), runs the country like if he had 90%.
He's a liberal. He's a disguised Blairist.
But he doesn't represent 82% of the population.
His presidency is an hold-up.
He today "legitimately" destroys all the French structures thanks 18% of the votes.

This kind of democracy is a terrible problem. It's a masquerade.
Maybe the solution could be to "force" people to vote or to desintegrate the nation, letting the people organising themselves in small regions or communities.

That would be nice at least to debate instead to legitimate a notion that doesn't correspond to the majority of the citizens.
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What makes this case interesting for UK media is that it's a chance to be russophobic again and show how bad and undemocratic Putin is. The problem is, he just won his election with 76% of the democratic vote
I heard that Putin didn't have any opponents people could vote for, that way even i could get 76%
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What if the blank votes are majority?
I posted about that very same question in another, interesting thread

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Did you observe that during the elections, the abstainers could be considered as the most important Party!
Makes them stupid for wasting their vote then and makes any comments later complaining about a Government non valid and if they didn't like any particular candidates then there is no reason they cannot run as an independent , and here sometimes it's the independents that actually hold power when the amount of seats held by the Government and Opposition is small, like the case in my country right now, there's a majority of only 1 seat.
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They are not stupid. They maybe think that all the comedies made by politicians are bullshits.
They also maybe think that the notion of nation is the worst crap ever.
Probably voters are more stupid than "blankers".

BTW... I'm a voter.
Aren't we both sheeps?
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They are not stupid. They maybe think that all the comedies made by politicians are bullshits.
What's bullshit is that millions have died in wars fought to gain a right to vote, there's still places on the planet where people would love to have a fair vote ...... but in todays fucked up, soft, politically correct, easier than ever to live world there are people who snub that right and then have the actual nerve to complain True, many politicians are inept, but if one cares enough, you'll find a candidate most suitable for you though without doubt far from perfect.

I don't call then abstainers, that's a nice way of putting it ....I'll put it in it's simplest terms and what they actually are ........ lazy, careless, irresponsible, selfish and brain dead
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Many Democratic voters abstained in the last Presidential Election,Look where that got them..
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What's bullshit is that millions have died in wars fought to gain a right to vote, there's still places on the planet where people would love to have a fair vote ...... but in todays fucked up, soft, politically correct, easier than ever to live world there are people who snub that right and then have the actual nerve to complain True, many politicians are inept, but if one cares enough, you'll find a candidate most suitable for you though without doubt far from perfect.

I don't call then abstainers, that's a nice way of putting it ....I'll put it in it's simplest terms and what they actually are ........ lazy, careless, selfish and brain dead
In a democracy, the people who have lost, are under a form of dictatorship.
Ask the British miners how they liked to be runned by a witch called Thatcher, who sent the police to dictate her arbitrary view of life.

Vive l'Anarchie!

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Many Democratic voters abstained in the last Presidential Election,Look where that got them..
But why do they abstain ?
Don't they abstain because they do not recognise themselves in any kind of models of society that are proposed to them.
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In a democracy, the people who have lost, are under a form of dictatorship.
Ask the British miners how they liked to be runned by a witch called Thatcher, who sent the police to dictate her arbitrary view of life.

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I do find that a bit offensive, there were a lot more issues involved in the miners strike, if you actually had spent anytime in Yorkshire, one of the most affected areas during both the strike and its aftermath, you would find that it is a very close run thing between dislike of Margaret Thatcher and Arthur Scargill, the miners union leader.
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In a democracy, the people who have lost, are under a form of dictatorship.
Wake up, stop dreaming of a fantasy ....... ain't bothering anymore Mate.
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I do find that a bit offensive, there were a lot more issues involved in the miners strike, if you actually had spent anytime in Yorkshire, one of the most affected areas during both the strike and its aftermath, you would find that it is a very close run thing between dislike of Margaret Thatcher and Arthur Scargill, the miners union leader.
About 15 years ago, I had to spend for my job one week in a small city near Birmingham.
I spent several days with a 35 years old man, who worked as freelance programmer. A very nice person.
He was living in a "poor" area.
He told to me that Thatcher destroyed the quality of life of a lot of people of the British working class.
I remember that looking "teddy bear" guy get his eyes filled with hatred when speaking about this woman.
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