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Old 04-14-2018, 11:40 AM   #34181
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Old 04-14-2018, 11:42 AM   #34182
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I'm beginning to see one misleading piece of information after another about Salisbury and Syria carried by the media and I think these two events are linked. I cannot escape the feeling that we are watching some kind of planned operation to condition the Western public and push things to the brink with the Russians as Ronnie did, back in 1983, with a military exercise that almost led to a hot war. I know some of you on VEF won't agree with me and probably believe that Putin is to blame for everything. I'm certainly not a member of his fan club, nor am I a left-wing Corbyn fan who wants to see him in Downing Street. But we have people supposedly running our country who seem to be doing as they please, without answering to anyone. Trump continues to post bizarre messages on line - you might say what's new, and I genuinely believe that what's taking place is very wrong. It's like a madness seemed to have overtaken common sense.

If you see things differently then fair enough, but I think our leaders are playing very dangerous games, which nobody seems to appreciate or want to question.
What disturb me the most is that neither Assad, nor Putin, nor May, nor Macro or Trump do represent the point of view of all their populations.

They play with their soldiers like children playing with Playmobils.
But there are civilian people who die because of these "sporadic dictators".
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What disturb me the most is that neither Assad, nor Putin, nor May, nor Macro or Trump do represent the point of view of all their populations.

They play with their soldiers like children playing with Playmobils.
But there are civilian people who die because of these "sporadic dictators".
Indeed. The PTB's sold British naval sovereignty to the EU for 30 pieces of sliver, and then set forth and attack folk who have done no harm to the at all.
Western governments are dangerous and out of control, a threat to their own people as well as those who interfere with their geopolitical agendas, agendas that have noting to do with the well-being of their respective constituencies, quite the opposite, in fact.
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Syria air strikes: US and allies attack 'chemical weapons sites
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-43762251


"At a Pentagon briefing shortly after Mr Trump's announcement, Gen Joseph Dunford listed three targets that had been struck:

A scientific research facility in Damascus, allegedly connected to the production of chemical and biological weapons
A chemical weapons storage facility west of Homs
A chemical weapons equipment storage site and an important command post, also near Homs"

I hope our intelligence on identifying chemical weapons has improved since the Iraq war
First of all the disclaimer. This is just an assessment according to my private current state of 'knowledge' of the developing situation in Syria.

No weapon systems of the Russian forces stationed in Syria were used during the illegal attack. All S-400 systems were inactive. The job was done by Syrian air defense forces alone. The following systems were used to defend Syrian airspace.

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All in all, it was a resounding success. 90 out of 97 missiles were either neutralized by electronic countermeasures or shot down by Syrian air defense. 7 missiles hit their intended target without causing too much damage, the remainder consisted of identified decoys. In addition, several Israeli UAVs were shot down. The Russian air force confined itself to blockading techniques against attacking enemy air force, which promptly withdrew after coughing up their fancy load.

According to first reports, there were 4 fatalities and several injured on the Syrian side. Of course, these numbers can change over the next few days or weeks. President Assad arrived punctually to work today and started business as usual.

The whole stunt was a coordinated, one time 230 Millionen US nothing burger deluxe. Well, it could be worse. Just imagine they would have spend that money on education or medical care.
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The whole stunt was a coordinated, one time 230 Millionen US nothing burger deluxe. Well, it could be worse. Just imagine they would have spend that money on education or medical care.
Or better yet, not taken the money from the taxpayers in the first place.
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THE worst of the lot CATACLYSM but you will notice it isn't spelt with ISM...odd that!
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First of all the disclaimer. This is just an assessment according to my private current state of 'knowledge' of the developing situation in Syria.

No weapon systems of the Russian forces stationed in Syria were used during the illegal attack. All S-400 systems were inactive. The job was done by Syrian air defense forces alone. The following systems were used to defend Syrian airspace.

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AA guns

All in all, it was a resounding success. 90 out of 97 missiles were either neutralized by electronic countermeasures or shot down by Syrian air defense. 7 missiles hit their intended target without causing too much damage, the remainder consisted of identified decoys. In addition, several Israeli UAVs were shot down. The Russian air force confined itself to blockading techniques against attacking enemy air force, which promptly withdrew after coughing up their fancy load.

According to first reports, there were 4 fatalities and several injured on the Syrian side. Of course, these numbers can change over the next few days or weeks. President Assad arrived punctually to work today and started business as usual.

The whole stunt was a coordinated, one time 230 Millionen US nothing burger deluxe. Well, it could be worse. Just imagine they would have spend that money on education or medical care.
More ridiculous waste of the taxpayer's money.
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No such thing! Altruists do their altruistic thing because it makes them feel good about themselves.
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90 out of 97 missiles were either neutralized by electronic countermeasures or shot down by Syrian air defense. 7 missiles hit their intended target without causing too much damage, the remainder consisted of identified decoys. In addition, several Israeli UAVs were shot down. The Russian air force confined itself to blockading techniques against attacking enemy air force, which promptly withdrew after coughing up their fancy load.
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