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Well, I guess upcoming generations never learn the lessions just like ours. Before you decide to join a war you know nothing about, ask yourself if it's worth it leaving your family, your (pregnant) girlfriend and your friends in order to slaughter people who did you no harm 10.000 miles abroad. It's always working class kids who die in wars that are not theirs. Look at that warmonger Mitt Romney who has 5 sons (all grown men) and who never served in the military. The primal drive behind any modern war are economic interests of elites who fuel people with jingoism. And if you manage to survive, you come back and are left on your own.
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I saw some footage not long ago, these Russian soldiers being beheaded by chechen rebels in Dagestan. I don't want to get into the politics of the issue but it was the most brutal, horrific film I have seen. I wish I had not seen it. curiosity got the better of me I suppose. it has changed me. I feel more aware of what is happening around us. 911 was the turning point for me. we are so lucky, when you see the dreadful horrors going on in some parts of the world, it makes me so angry and frustrated. I don't take thing's for granted anymore.
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That's not environmentally sustainable. War is usually about the have-nots wanting stuff they haven't got. Here's food for thought. Analysts are saying that the "Arab Spring" unrest/uprising was probably caused by food price hikes caused by a bad Russian grain harvest. Now we have projected food price hikes caused by drought in the US. Where's the next flashpoint? Don't look at me for answers. I'm in the majority, I don't have any. I'm resigned to watching Nature cull the herd.
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Transfer from the Worst US President Thread
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My info comes from a number of history books that I have but the information can also be found online here: http://www.americanwarlibrary.com/vietnam/vwatl.htm http://www.mrfa.org/vnstats.htm Both of which get their info from the DOD. They are fairly reputable. From one DOD document I saw, technically, US forces peaked in one week in January of 1969 when we had some 549,000 troops in country. However that includes several thousand that were transitioning out of the country. So I tend to use the other numbers as I don't consider troops that have been disarmed and sitting at a base well outside of the combat zones waiting for a plane or boat back home as being involved. Of course it is always difficult to determine exact numbers as we could argue all day and night about who was involved. (Do pilots flying from carriers in the South China Sea count? How about B-52s that launched from another country?) I have a great interest in the Vietnam War as I have a couple of cousins whose names are on the wall in DC. Also my father, both his brothers, one of his sisters, and her husband all served in and around Vietnam. Funny how nobody had any problems sending them there despite all being married and having children. I guess we didn't have the right connections. Either that or we actually believe in serving our country (or we are all mighty stupid). |
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That revolt of the Ciompi, now that was really something, wasn't it? lol
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I was lucky and had a 300+ draft number. So I had few worries. But sub 100 and you either volunteered, were drafted, left the country or were well connected. I'd really like to know GWB's draft number. That would tell alot. Stupid? No. Just didn't have a lot of options. Viet Nam wasn't WW II. There was very little honor there. |
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1941? 1955? 1961? 1969(1980)? 1973 ? 1979? ...ect, ect, ect.
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