Vegan Diet V Carnivore Diet

[Arturo2nd]

Originally Posted by xyzde69

Veganism = the most ethical way to live his (her) life until his (her) death.

Recent research has revealed that plants have awareness, feelings, and communicate with each other. There is no getting around the reality that if we are to live, some other creatures are going to die while we eat them. That is just the way the world works.

If it is any consolation, our ancestors spent billions of years as prey and evidence is gathering that we will soon be bumped down the food chain.

[Estreeter]

Originally Posted by Brian249x

Recent research has revealed

Extremely recent research has revealed I love Rump Steak Confirmed by my taste buds about 90 minutes ago

Vegans They just don't get it that whatever shock tactic they use for their "ethics" will always be superseded by what nature tells me to eat

They might as well type their posts in Martian

[Roubignol]

Originally Posted by Brian249x

Recent research has revealed that plants have awareness, feelings, and communicate with each other. There is no getting around the reality that if we are to live, some other creatures are going to die while we eat them. That is just the way the world works.

If it is any consolation, our ancestors spent billions of years as prey and evidence is gathering that we will soon be bumped down the food chain.

That's not the question.

1) Vegans and ovo-vegetarians mainly eat seeds and fruits and few plants.
It's like if I had to eat something from you, I'd eat your sperm.

2) Plants have no nervous system and salads don't live more than one or two years.

3) Farm animals often are badly treated. They live in jail like prisoners, are tortured. We impose them life through artificial reproduction and often kill their children.

4) Farm animals have feelings that are more looking like ours.

5) It's far less destructive for the environment to directly eat vegetable proteins than animal proteins. We could reduce the impact on wildlife.

Here are the main reasons why I stopped to blindly exploit animals (very close genetic members of our family).

[Estreeter]

Originally Posted by xyzde69

That's not the question.

1) Vegans and ovo-vegetarians mainly eat seeds and fruits and few plants.
It's like if I had to eat something from you, I'd eat your sperm.

2) Plants have no nervous system and salads don't live more than one or two years.

3) Farm animals often are badly treated. They live in jail like prisoners, are tortured. We impose them life through artificial reproduction and often kill their children.

4) Farm animals have feelings that are more looking like ours.

5) It's far less destructive for the environment to directly eat vegetable proteins than animal proteins. We could reduce the impact on wildlife.

Here are the main reasons why I stopped to blindly exploit animals (very close genetic members of our family).

Estreeter Translate

Originally Posted by xyzde69

[bp666]

Originally Posted by xyzde69

Veganism = the most ethical way to live his (her) life until his (her) death.

Not necessarily. Going vegetarian/vegan still results in the deaths of many different species of animals.

https://theconversation.com/ordering...our-hands-4659

https://abcnews.go.com/Technology/story?id=97836&page=1

https://munchies.vice.com/en_us/arti...ut-tofu-is-too

https://www.abc.net.au/radionational...ianism/4660498

https://www.sott.net/article/347034-...mals-after-all

[Roubignol]

Originally Posted by bp666

Not necessarily. Going vegetarian/vegan still results in the deaths of many different species of animals.

https://theconversation.com/ordering...our-hands-4659

https://abcnews.go.com/Technology/story?id=97836&page=1

https://munchies.vice.com/en_us/arti...ut-tofu-is-too

https://www.abc.net.au/radionational...ianism/4660498

https://www.sott.net/article/347034-...mals-after-all

But still more ethical.
Omnivorous = vegan + meat.

[rosestone]

Originally Posted by bp666

Not necessarily. Going vegetarian/vegan still results in the deaths of many different species of animals.

What interests me, is why are meat-eaters always trying so hard to make vegans feel bad about what they choose to eat?

The idea that being vegan is somehow just as harmful to animals is daft, and the idea that we should all just give up and do what we want because if you try and do good something bad still might happen, is just an argument to futility. Of course some little animals get caught in combine harvesters. That doesn't justify the deaths of 56 billion land animals slaughtered every year for food.

[bp666]

Originally Posted by xyzde69

But still more ethical.
Omnivorous = vegan + meat.

Depends on your brand of ethics...

Kill a few hundred cattle or hundreds of thousands of mice on a beef farm vs
a crop farm. Which ones count more?

Cattle and sheep can utilise vast pasture lands that are not suitable for growing crops. If more humans took up veganism/vegetarianism, more arable land would need to be cleared destroying entire ecosystems to grow enough plant food to feed them.

Producing more grain crops would spike the rodent population, meaning even more killing to protect the crops.

[bp666]

Originally Posted by rosestone

What interests me, is why are meat-eaters always trying so hard to make vegans feel bad about what they choose to eat?

That's right - because that's the vegans job - trying so hard to make others feel bad about what they choose to eat - because they don't agree with it.

And get all salty when someone says back - by the way vegans are not innocent either - you have the blood of different species on your hands.

How many billions of creatures get killed per year as a result of the growing of crops?

We should all become breatharians.

[rosestone]

Originally Posted by bp666

Cattle and sheep can utilise vast pasture lands that are not suitable for growing crops. If more humans took up veganism/vegetarianism, more arable land would need to be cleared destroying entire ecosystems to grow enough plant food to feed them.

Producing more grain crops would spike the rodent population, meaning even more killing to protect the crops.

A lot of the crops humans produce go to feed animals that are then slaughtered for food. The amount of land required to support someone on a vegan diet is around 1/10th of that required to support an omnivore. The crops fed to the animals raised to be slaughtered could just be fed to the humans instead.

45% of all land on earth is given over to animal agriculture. Edible crops are a much more sustainable foodsource.