Kristine DeBell

[skydude]

Originally Posted by ^^GoRiLLaZ^^

Alice In Wonderland (1976) - Scene 10. Kristine DeBell, Ron Nelson [UPGRADE TO FULL HD - 1080p]

Thanks for the ALICE upgrades! Very nice.


Does anyone know for sure if that's Kristine in the hardcore scene at the end? She's definitely sucking some cock earlier, but I'm not 100% sure that's her getting fucked. There's no image of her face and pussy in the same shot, which is the usual giveaway that a body double was used.



I figure if anyone knows for sure, they'd be in this group...

[slimnesbit]

Originally Posted by skydude

Does anyone know for sure if that's Kristine in the hardcore scene at the end?

I know for sure that it's not Kristine.

Even the male is not Ron Nelson. Nelson has a lot of pubic hair and belly hair. The man in the HC-scene is shaved.

Throughout the whole movie, Kristine wears a ring around the little finger of her left hand. There is no ring in the HC-scene.

The finger nail of that finger looks different. Watch the caps:

[duclover]

Originally Posted by slimnesbit

I know for sure that it's not Kristine.

Even the male is not Ron Nelson. Nelson has a lot of pubic hair and belly hair. The man in the HC-scene is shaved.

Throughout the whole movie, Kristine wears a ring around the little finger of her left hand. There is no ring in the HC-scene.

The finger nail of that finger looks different. Watch the caps:

This profile is often used as proof it is Kristine. It hard to argue that its not her based on the profile.

Fingernails don't prove much as they grow and it would be easy to mirror the masturbation scene and suddenly the fingernails match. Especially considering this thing wasn't shot all at once.

Unfortunately the entire movie has been shot and edited as if to give her a way to deny she did anything HC. And at the time she was always quite catty when answering the question of if it was her.

There is absolutely no way to argue the later fuck scenes are her. You can believe they are but the way they are edited you cannot make a clear argument for it being her.

However, the BJ sequence is a different story. Celebrity Sleuth said that although she can deny it was not her fucking she clearly catches a wet load to the face. (paraphrased from 40 years ago.)

The ring is not a certain indicator. These two shots right before the blow job do not indicate she has the ring on.

Additionally if you watch the video it is absolutely clear that this is Kristine and that she kisses the head of his dick before they cut to the profile. And she definitely makes contact with her lips.

Unfortunately as the blow job continues there is less and less to identify it as "definitely" Kristine except the way her lower lip looks. It gets darker and blow up and grainy. It has also always bothered me that after having his cum smeared all over her chin the next shot shows a clean faced Kristine.

I read that this movie was actually shot twice, first as softcore, then they came back and did the hardcore stuff, and that the blow job and the masturbations scenes were Kristine but she wouldn't actually fuck on camera, so they edited it to make it look like it was her.

Personally I believe she at least stated the blowjob. As for the rest the way it is cut and edited they at least were giving her the ability to deny it was her.

[slimnesbit]

Originally Posted by duclover

This profile is often used as proof it is Kristine. It hard to argue that its not her based on the profile.

Produced as a softcore film, the film was re-released in a re-edited version which incorporated hardcore footage that was not shot during the film's original production. In the XXX reissue, the footage of Kristine De Bell performing oral sex on the Mad Hatter was actually privately shot footage of De Bell performing oral on producer Bill Osco, who convinced her that it was necessary for the film, but it did not appear in the original theatrical version.

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0074113...ef_=tt_trv_trv

[duclover]

Originally Posted by slimnesbit

Produced as a softcore film, the film was re-released in a re-edited version which incorporated hardcore footage that was not shot during the film's original production. In the XXX reissue, the footage of Kristine De Bell performing oral sex on the Mad Hatter was actually privately shot footage of De Bell performing oral on producer Bill Osco, who convinced her that it was necessary for the film, but it did not appear in the original theatrical version.

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0074113...ef_=tt_trv_trv

Thanks man. I knew I had read this but I had clearly forgotten some of the details and I don't think I ever heard that she sucked off the producer after the original softcore version was in the can. I feel a little bad for her that she was gullible (or high) enough to suck off the producer after the movie was completed. I don't think she never did anything else more graphic than Alice. She was certainly a very popular model and started making more mainstream movies and then TV, after this. One side of me is happy for her to move out of porn, then other really wishes she had kept on the slide into hardcore. She would have probably had a good career.

[duclover]

I went back and watched the AI enhanced movie in 1080p. Well at least the parts she is in. The old copies were always grainy and it was really hard to see some of this stuff.


1. She clearly rubs her pussy and appears to insert a finger deep inside for the camera.
2. We now know she actually did sick that dick even though it wasn't the mad hatters dick its still a dick she sucked on camera.
3. There is no doubt in my mind that she eats pussy. Plenty of tongue movement with corresponding genital movement.

4. The blow job at the beginning of her fuck scene looks to be her as well. Her face and tits are visible without camera cut and the shape of her mouth when sucking a fairly limp dick matches her mouth in the mad hatter scene.

Her belly button is quite distinctive and the obviously her shot and the cumshot with belly button seem to match. But we already know she will suck dick and take a cumshot.

So the real question is did she take a dick cowgirl and are the pentation scenes her? I don't see a good enough picture of her ass to confirm. Pubic hair and finger nails aren't reliable since the hardcore stuff was shot after the softcore version was in the can.

[slimnesbit]

Originally Posted by duclover

I feel a little bad for her that she was gullible (or high) enough to suck off the producer after the movie was completed.

There has been controversy about the hard core footage that was re-instated for the XXX version, some of it involving Kristine DeBell. What do you know about what happened there?

Jason Williams: Bill had started dating Kristine right when the movie started. As soon as he met her, he got right on Kristine.
When we first started making ‘Alice in Wonderland’, we weren’t completely sure it was going to be hardcore. Bill got Kristine to give him a blowjob as though he was the Mad Hatter on camera, and it was never included in the film. It was some footage that was never ever in the X-rated version of the film. He told her something like, “We’re up here and we need this, the picture needs it, blah, blah, blah. Hopefully we’ll never have to use it, blah, blah, blah. I love you, blah, blah, blah.”

A few years later, to try to make some fucking money, Bill inserted this little clip and some other footage that were obviously not even from the film that showed hardcore penetration. He got it from someplace else. He put these extra minutes of hardcore in the film thinking he’s going to make a new adult movie out of it and it’s going to become now become a big hit because he’s got this additional shitty ass hardcore porno in it. He did that to Kristine which I thought was just such a low fucking life thing to do. That’s really a dirt bag thing to put that little clip of her in there.

Horrible. I mean it really… What a character, a real bad guy.

Was this ever discussed with Kristine?

Jason Williams: I didn’t ever bring it up. I didn’t want to tell her. Let it lay that way. It ain’t going to do anything one way or the other at this point in time.

It was just such a low life thing to do, really. Unbelievably low life.

Kristine DeBell: They filmed all that X footage, and at first they basically made a soft core HBO-esque film. Then a while later, they add all this XXX stuff, and said, “We forgot to add this in”.
What?!

“Oh we filmed this during the filming, but we forgot about it…”
I actually read on Wikipedia what happened. I didn’t remember.
I just was this young kid. People will say, “How did that happen?” But I just went in and did my job. I was just this young… I didn’t think about those kinds of things like I would now.


Source: https://www.therialtoreport.com/2015...ally-happened/